Wednesday, October 29, 2008

Fatwa On Yoga...

From Bernama:

The National Fatwa Council will come out with a ruling relating to yoga exercise soon.

The announcement would be made by the council's chairman, Prof Datuk Dr Abdul Shukor Husin, said Deputy Director-General (Operations) of the Department of Islamic Development Malaysia (Jakim) Othman Mustapha.

He told reporters this after opening the two-day seminar on Islamic Jurisprudence and Eternal Islamic Thinking at Universiti Sains Malaysia jointly organised by the Islamic Studies Division of the university's Human Knowledge Study Centre and Jakim here today (Wednesday).

Yesterday, lecturer Prof Zakaria Stapa of Universiti Kebangsaan Malaysia's Islamic Studies Centre advised Muslims who have taken up yoga to stop practising it for fear that it could deviate their belief.


It must be such a pressing issue facing the lot of Malaysian Muslims that the National Fatwa Council sees it fit that a decision be made on whether or not yoga will cause them to go astray.

Must be because yoga has its roots in Hindu philosophy?

I thought it's the "nawwaitu" that is important.

No...you can't be deviating from your (Islamic) belief if you do yoga. And people do it for fitness and health.
It's quite simple, really. If any Muslim feel uncomfortable about it, then don't do it.
Oh...don't tell me some Muslims approached the council on this....

Ok. I don't do yoga. But one day I may have to because it could be the only suitable form of exercise for me.

My blog sister, MarinaM has her take, HERE.

59 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well, they are being creative in issuing fatwas on trivial matters.

Good if the fatwa is imposed, at least the yoga centres will remain pure!

Yoga for health!

Old Fart said...

Great. They can now all go for Pelatis! Finally Pelatis can thank Malaysian Fatwa on Yoga for increasing their numbers!!!

yatim said...

Currently the Malay Muslims in Malaysia are going through a period denialism. Anything and everything is wrong and against Islam. This another way of BN government to keep the Malay Muslims under the coconut shell. It is the BN government decides what is right for the muslims. Just too pity of them. I feel really sorry for them.

The Ancient Mariner said...

A fatwa on the ISA should be a good start... lets deal with this once and for all.

nstman said...

This world has gone mad. And I am going mad. Ha ha ha. Fa fa fa.

Anonymous said...

Prof Zakaria Stapa should try yoga first before making all these ridiculous fatwas!! I'm a muslim, I've done all kinds of yoga from bikram, hatha, and astanga yoga, and believe me, there is no chanting, no deity or deities to worship!!!

AKG said...

Oh My God...

How about tai-chi? Taekwondo? Judo?

What a joke

TTS said...

My very first question, have they EVER been to any yoga class?? This people talk without knowledge. I've been to several yoga class, but NONE of them do all those 'mantera' or any Hindu practice.

My sincere advice to them, think before they speak. Please don't make Islam looks so jumud.

mamasita said...

I have been taking yoga lessons for quite some time.Eh eh..bab mana yang some people kata syirik ye?Really tak notice.Hanya I just try my best to puntal my body here and there!

Anonymous said...

Wow!!! what news? this will make my wife very upset as yoga is the only form of exercise that keep her smiling every time after a round of yoga with her friends.
Humiliating!!! praying is the responsibility of every MUslim and it is a must. What is in their head?
I give up!!!dh9753

Anonymous said...

Badminton, Football, Sepak Taraw and so on and so forth.

Why not them? I'm sure there has to be a reason for them to be banned.

Salt N Turmeric said...

Just when you thought they cudn come up w anything more stupid than the last one, here they go again! and he's a prof?

Anonymous said...

Yoga is basically for fitness, be it mental or physical. Some yoga is about spirituality. Spirituality is not religion.

There is a great saying in Tamil which translates to

"What you see is false,
what you hear is false,
do you own thorough research"

The recent happenings including this one, goes to show only one thing. Muslim (or at least the authorities) are not confident enough of their religion and on themselves.

pak tuo said...

Kak,

Let put it this way.In organisational skill there would be only 3 choise.

1.Boss pandai tapi kuli bodoh = DICTATORSHIP

2nd.Boss bodoh but kuli pandai = ANARCHY

3rd.Boss and Kuli sama-sama bodoh = DEMOCRATIC

Since when breathing exercise became HARAM!
How about Berbekam?

Anonymous said...

hi, sweetie, would like to 'watch' u doing yoga ( in tight outfit),
where & when !? pls,pls let me know, ok ! GODBLESS.

amoker said...

Fatwa against writting articles that incite killing? Definately a fatwa on ISA ... but yoga?

Anonymous said...

I used to take up yoga for exercise and stopped because it was too strenuous for me ;-)

Truth be told, I have found it strange that some of my Muslim friends practise yoga because it teaches them to meditate (about what?) and achieve peace and calmness in their lives. If the meditation is in line with our religion it is fine. If it is not, then there is a problem.

I think when ignorant Muslims who do it in this context are seen as "menduakan" Tuhan. And at the end of the day I would like to think good of the ppl who impose this fatwa. They are probably refering to this crowd of people.

Just as we like to call them to stop "melatah", I think we should also practise the same.

dannalli said...

I am going to suggest to my Masjid pak ciks to leave their songkok, sarong and old blazer as those are also worn by Hindu Javanese in the neighbouring Indonesia. ....and during ritual n procession too.

And ladies, your partners are no longer allowed to practiced what prescribed in Kamasutra anymore.

son said...

i'm not into yoga.but what i know is that Yoga is a form of exercise that's healthy for mind and body.if they want to leash a fatwa on Yoga,then how about tae-kwan-do and any other form of exercise and martial arts that are not from the Islam customs?.

i bet Yoga is good as long as the Muslims stay away from all the Hindu practise.

visitor2008 said...

Why bother about halal/haram of yoga or pengkid if the basic things such as covering your aurat (pakai tudung!) is ignored??

Anonymous said...

Next Fatwa on Bollywood pls....Datuk Shah Ruk would be upset...

Anonymous said...

next qigong ...

My Raison D'etre said...

Kak Aina,

Ancient Mariner's suggestion is a good one.

BUT that would mean some really deep soul searching/discussion to be done, which makes it a whole lot of work and the possibility that you moght just step on the government's toes.

I suppose a Fatwa is needed in Yoga as many muslims are probably being swayed to convert by taking part in it.

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Anonymous said...

Later will be fatwa on Cinema, fatwa on public places like restaurant, shopping centres, later will be fatwa on schools, and alot more fatwa coming up

wak segen said...

Muslims do not need Yoga if they pray 5 times a day added with sunat prayers like solat nafil,solat tahajjud and solat taubat.But still its a matter of one's choice and opinion.
Yes of course for every action it depends on the nawaitu and I'm sure the members of the Majlis Fatwa have their own in disharging their duties on any issues no matter how trivial.
Everything is for Allah.

Wallahualam!!

shahbandarmalakat said...

Nabi mengalakkan umatnya lebih banyak terfakur...duduk diam memikirkan kejadian Allah di keliling kita..Orang yang belajar ilmu hakikat pun di asuk duduk diam berterfakur...mengosongkan diri dan memerhatikan kan kejadian Alam termasuk kejadian diri sendiri...Ini yang pernah saya perkatakan dalam blog saya...seperti cerita "apa yang ada di belakang seekor nyamuk" jadi kalau tahu keadaahnya tak mengapa mengamalkan YOGA..bahayanya yang mungkin nak di peringatkan oleh Majlis Fatwa..kekeliruan lebih lebih lagi bagi orang yang tak kuat pegangan ugama dan tak cukup asas..Dosa itu hasil dari kekeliruan... dan memang banyak sekali orang Islam yang kurang memahami Islam sendiri, jadi tak mengapa Majlis Fatwa sekadar memberi panduan itu saja...sebab banyak orang Islam terikut ikut budaya orang bukan Islam ..kalau mengerti dan Faham tak apa...Betul lah Niraini kata tu Nawaitu..tapi berapa kerat yang faham tentang ini?Jadi jangan sekali kali kita memperlecekkan Majlis Faktwa...

Anonymous said...

Kak Aina, kata Prof tu jelas, haram tu kalau bertentangan dengan akidah. Yg tak bertentangan tu ok. Kenapa ada yg assume mufti tu kata semua haram? Jangan terus nak melatah. Rileks la. Rasanya mufti tu ok. Response sesetengah blogger yg nampak kelam kabut.

RunnerFromKuantan

rashid said...

Yoga merangkumi pelbagai teknik untuk menaikkan taraf kesihatan fizikal dan rohani. Jadi, pengharaman patut menjelaskan dengan terperinci apakah teknik-teknik yang bertentangan dengan sesuatu agama.

Jika teknik yang digunakan merangkumi adat-istiadat agama Hindu seperti penyembahan dan membaca mantera, saya bersetuju bahawa ia mungkin bertelagah dengan ajaran Islam ataupun Kristian.

Tetapi, jika tekniknya merangkumi cara pernafasan yang betul, serta senaman badan yang menenangkan, tanpa merangkumi adat-istiadat agama Hindu, adakah ianya masih haram?

saya berpendapat bahawa pihak berkuasa adalah bertanggungjawab untuk menerangkan dengan terperinci apa yang boleh dan tidak boleh dilakukan. Berilah peluang untuk rakyat memahami isu ini tanpa mempunyai tanggapan negatif terhadap agama lain.

Ada sesiapa yang ingin mengulas

- dipetik dari seorang blogger bernama di blog ini.

Anonymous said...

I think these people are living in the nut shell and sooner or later our country will turn into a Taliban's country.

Anonymous said...

Setuju dengan pandangan 'wak segan": .Orang Islam tak perlu YOGA..cara islam sudah lebih dari mencukupi...ini lah kita muslim zaman ini sentiasa nak ikut perbuatan Bukan Islam yang nyata kadang kadang bertentangan dengan ajaran Islam...Yang terlarang memang nampak indah, bagus dan sedap...itu yang menarik nafsu kita...kalau seorang Muslim menghadkan aktivity mereka kepada apa yang sudah diamalan oleh Islam di pandang jumut tak ikut peredaran zaman ..walhal zaman itu tak berubah pun.... yang berubah manusia itu sendiri...(binatang tak berubah pun)

Cuba lihat kaum Yahudi " zaman berubah pun mereka tetap sama dengan peradapan yang di anjurkan oleh ugama mereka...contoh larangan tak makan babi mereka masih tetap pegang walau pun babi itu sudah "bersih dari tape worm"...pakaian mereka sama je dari dulu...kenapa tak dikatakan jumut...
Sebenarnya Kaum muslim dah lama kalah dengan musuk musuknya yang nyata...Yang paling menjijikkan ada orang orang islam sendiri yang menyesatkan orang Islam dengan pemikiran liberalnya...mereka fikir mereka sudah pandai..kalau mereka tak ikut aliran pemikiran bukan Islam mereka terasa mereka bodoh pula...mereka keliru...mereka tersesat tapi mereka tak sedar mereka hanyut dan minta maaf kalau saya katakan orang macam Nuraina lah jadi tempat hingga nya hama hama yang sedia untuk meruntuhkan istitusi Islam..apa tidak nya kenapa mesti persoalkan Majlis Fatwa..mereka belum lagi mengeluarkan Fatwa lagi..siang siang sudah physi war...dan tak sedapnya orang bukan Islam ambil kesempatan menghamtam...

azlan said...

Muslim and Yoga

Yali said...

Saya 2 bulan duduk sendirian dalam bilik pengasingan dan 2 tahun meringkuk di Kemunting angkara ISA.

Saya solat lima kali sehari, tambah dengan solat sunat, membaca surah Yasin dan bertahlil. Membaca seluruh jilid Tafsir Al-Azhar oleh Hamka. Namun masa begitu panjang sekali untuk dilalui.

Ada saudara Muslim yang bosan dan tidur untuk selama mungkin untuk mengatasi keperitan hidup dikurung. Akibatnya menghadapi penyakit mental.

Dalam tahananlah saya memperaktikkan yoga secara sangat regularyang sememangnya saya dah tahu, dan mempelajari taichi dari seorang tahanan tuduhan komunis.

Tidak ada dewa tidak ada mantra. Tidak ada pentembahan tidak ada pemujaan.

Yang ada ialah tumpuan kepada gerakan otot-otot tubuh badan serta pada penafasan. Belajar mengalirkan tenaga chi serta mengimbangkan tenaga positif dan negatif.

Alhamdulillah, tubuh badan saya menjadi sihat; pemikiran jelas hingga siap di Kemunting penulisan thesis pasca-siswazah; serta bathinku terasa tenang dan aman.

Banyak ilmu dan pratik yang pada asalnya terdapat pada satu-satu bangsa atau agama. Tetapi dek kerana nilai sejagatnya, kadangkala diubahsuai, maka diterima-pakai oleh pelabgai bangsa dan agama.

Contohnya, ilmu falsafah & matematika dari Yunani - ada bercampur dengan tahyul agama kunonya. Tetapi pemikir Muslim telah meresapkan dan memajukan ilmu ini. Kini diagung-agungkan nama2 seperti Ibnu Rushdi dan Ibnu Khayyam.

Begitu juga amalan sufi, tidak ada pada awal sejarah Islam, pertembungan dengan agama Budha dan Hindu mengajar cara untuk khusyuk ketika berzikir.

Mengapa begitu sempit pemikiran sehingga apa sahaja yang tak dipersetujui atau yang jahil terhadap sesuatu, maka terasa terancam dan mahu dianggap haram.

Allah menjadikan manusia kelompok berbeza-beza untuk mengenali/mempelajari antara satu sama lain.

Ilmu bukan sahaja diturunkan oleh Allah kepada penganut Islam sahaja!

kak Olin said...

Ena,
You know that I do yoga and have been at it for quite a while. Having taken it up, I am hooked - it relaxes me, improves my breathing and does wonders to my back and spine! So I find it nauseating when someone says that one can lose one's 'akidah' simply through a series of (sometimes difficult) postures.

Kak Olin

Hamzah said...

" My Raison D'etre said... I suppose a Fatwa is needed in Yoga as many muslims are probably being swayed to convert by taking part in it."

bukti bro? heard of any case?

pak tuo said...

Kak,

I proposed who ever is intrested do look up a book

Tittle: Permata Yang Hilang
Seni Nafkah Batin

Translated Original by :Ibnu Yusof

Publisher:
Add Sell -2nd.Edition 1992

ISBN : 983 9074 00 8

Read it and then make a comparison with Yoga.

Any similarities?

Makin meraban nampaknya dunia ni.

artchan said...

who put these buggers on the fatwa councils, how does one gets to sit on the council..and are they from earth?

Anonymous said...

*wak segen 11.06am dan *anonymous 4.38 pm*

saya sembahyang 5 kali sehari dan saya juga amalkan yoga. Adakah saya tidak seislam anda? Saya bersenam kerana saya mahu tubuh badan yang sihat, bila badan sihat saya boleh menunaikan tanggungjawab saya sebagai seorang muslim.
Kenapa yoga? yoga bukan sahaja bagus bagus untuk pengedaran darah, mengurangkan lemak, malah ia dapat mengurut organ dalaman yang mana senaman lain tidak boleh capai.

kaum yahudi tak makan babi? hello anonymous!! kebanyakan kaum yahudi sekarang dah banyak makan babi. Makanan Kosher mereka yang dijual dipasaraya pun tidak lagi bersih dan tidak boleh dimakan oleh umat islam(walaupun mereka ahli kitab) kerana kebersihan makanan mereka sudah bercampur aduk dengan makanan yang kotor. Dan setahu saya, pakaian mereka berubah-rubah! part mana pulak pakaian sama? perayaan shabbat? tak semua yahudi pakai hitam semasa shabbat!

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GUiKP said...

One of my colleaques in Riyadh is a Muslim from Kerala, India. He organized yoga sessions for the officemates, who are predominantly Muslim too. I didn't hear any murmurs.

selampit said...

Kak Nuraina,

You're now doing exactly what Raja Petra did. You're playing Mufti!

It is inappropriate for any Muslim to question a religious opinion made by a Muslim scholar who is an expert in his field. If you seek to challenge the opinion, then you should consult another equally qualified scholar and LET HIM raise the issue.

To those who claim that yoga is simply a health sytem and nothing else, I quote this article from WIKIPEDIA'

"..Yoga (Sanskrit: योग, IAST: yóga, IPA: [joːgə]) refers to traditional physical and mental disciplines originating in India; to the goal achieved by those disciplines; and to one of the six orthodox (āstika) schools of Hindu philosophy.[1][2]

Major branches of yoga include Raja Yoga, Karma Yoga, Jnana Yoga, Bhakti Yoga, and Hatha Yoga.[3][4][5] Raja Yoga, compiled in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, and known simply as yoga in the context of Hindu philosophy, is part of the Samkhya tradition.[6] Many other Hindu texts discuss aspects of yoga, including the Vedas, Upanishads, the Bhagavad Gita, the Hatha Yoga Pradipika, the Shiva Samhita and various Tantras.."

Notice the words "schools of Hindu philosophy" and the fact that the art itself is widely discussed in various sacred Hindu Texts such as Vedas, Upanishads and Bhagavad Gita.

To all my non-Muslim friends, PLEASE UNDERSTAND that Islam CAN NOT be associated with other sacred teachings. It is what we Muslims call 'syirik', and Islam considers it A MORTAL SIN OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.

Anonymous said...

It is indeed sad that some muslims are quick to embrace and defend a practice which originates from another religion and at the same time is quick to criticise their fellow muslims who have yet to come up with a fatwa in the first place. It is also sad that some muslims choose to practice yoga when in actual fact the same benefits (and more) can be derived from our daily prayers. Why not read the scientific findings on the daily prayers and tell others about it instead of condemning our fellow muslims. Here's one article: -

The "Yoga" of Islamic Prayer
By Karima Burns, MH, ND

Called "one of the oldest systems of personal development encompassing body, mind and spirit" by the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine, yoga has become one of the fastest growing health trends today. It has been renowned for centuries for its curative powers of movement.

Yoga consists of a number of "asnas," or body positions, which one retains for a desired length of time while either reciting "mantras" or breathing in a rhythmic manner. Its benefits have been researched by many doctors who now recommend it to their patients, by many medical schools such as Harvard, and by many foundations such as the Menninger Foundation.

In fact, yoga has become so popular that secretaries have developed a simplified sitting version that they can do at their desks. The elderly, pregnant women and athletes also have their own versions.

Interestingly, for the millions of people enrolled in yoga classes, the Islamic form of prayer has provided Muslims for fourteen centuries with some of yoga's same (and even superior) benefits. This simple form of "yoga" offers physical, mental, and spiritual benefits five times a day as Muslims assume certain positions while reciting Qur'an and athkar (remembrances).

Of course, not all the yoga positions are found in the Islamic prayer. However, hospital researchers have concluded that patients benefit from even a simplified version of yoga, and most hospital yoga programs, such as those at the Spaulding Rehabilitation Center in Massachusetts, consist of only five to seven positions.

The Muslim prayer has five positions, and they all (as well as the recitations we make while performing the prayer) have a corresponding relationship with our spiritual and mental well being, according to modern scientific research. The benefits of performing specific movements and recitations each day come from the correct rendition of the position or action itself, the length of time the position is held, and from careful and correct recitation techniques.


Each of the five prayer positions has a corresponding yoga position, and the positions together "activate" all seven "chakras" (energy fields) in the body. The idea of activating a chakra may sound linguistically strange, but it is easier to understand once one translates that word into more familiar language.


Eastern healers believe that each of the chakras correlate to major nerve ganglia that branch forth from the spinal column. Thus, the concept of activating these nerve centers is akin to getting a chiropractic adjustment or installing a medical stimulating device on the spine to correct corresponding bodily malfunctions.


In layman's terms, the idea of chakras can be understood by thinking about how the sense of "feeling" functions. One notices, when touching any part of the body, that that part responds by being more "awake" and aware. Another part of the body that was not touched, but is along the same nerve pathway, may also respond.


When a person is sitting, for instance, they may not be thinking about their legs, which are momentarily at rest; however, if someone touches them, they will again be "aware" of them. Chakras work in much the same way.
Studies have found that varying areas of the body, when activated by touch, movement or thought, evoke specific emotional and physical responses in much the same way that a smile can evoke the feeling of happiness, and actually increase circulation – even if one was feeling sluggish and unhappy before smiling. This is one of the reasons that it is so important to perfectly perform all of the movements of the Islamic prayer, rather than haphazardly rushing through them.

The Takbir and Al Qiyyam together are very similar to the Mountain Pose in yoga, which has been found to improve posture, balance, and self-awareness. This position also normalizes blood pressure and breathing, thus providing many benefits to asthma and heart patients.


The placement of the hands on the chest during the Qiyyam position are said to activate the solar plexus "chakra," or nerve pathway, which directs our awareness of self in the world and controls the health of the muscular system, skin, intestines, liver, pancreas, gallbladder and eyes. When the hands are held open for du'a, they activate the heart "chakra," said to be the center of the feelings of love, harmony, and peace, and to control love and compassion. It also governs the health of the heart, lungs, thymus, immune system, and circulatory system.


Muslim researchers have shown that when Muslims recite the Qur'an, old thoughts, feelings, fears and guilt are released or healed, and blood pressure and stress levels are reduced. Virtually all of the sounds of the Arabic language are uttered while reciting Qur'an, creating a balance in all affected areas of the body.


Some specific sounds, in fact, correspond to major organs in the body. In his research and creation of eurhythmy, Rudolph Steiner (founder of the Waldorf Schools), , found that vibrations made when pronouncing the long vowels, 'A', 'E' and 'U,' stimulated the heart, lungs, and the thyroid, pineal, pituitary, and adrenal glands during laboratory tests.


The position of Ruku is very similar to the Forward Bend Position in yoga. Ruku stretches the muscles of the lower back, thighs, legs and calves, and allows blood to be pumped down into the upper torso. It tones the muscles of the stomach, abdomen, and kidneys. Forming a right angle allows the stomach muscles to develop, and prevents flabbiness in the mid-section.

This position also promotes a greater flow of blood into the upper regions of body – particularly to the head, eyes, ears, nose, brain, and lungs – allowing mental toxins to be released. Over time, this improves brain function and ones personality, and is an excellent stance to maintain the proper position of the fetus in pregnant women.


The Sujud is said to activate the "crown chakra," which is related to a person's spiritual connection with the universe around them and their enthusiasm for spiritual pursuits. This nerve pathway is also correlated to the health of the brain, nervous system, and pineal gland. Its healthy function balances ones interior and exterior energies.


In Sujud, we also bend; thus activating the "base chakra," which controls basic human survival instincts and provides essential grounding. This helps to develop levelheaded and positive thinking along with a highly motivated view of life, and maintains the health of the lymph and skeletal systems, the prostate, bladder, and the adrenal glands. We also bend the "sacral chakra" during Sujud, thus benefiting and toning the reproductive organs.


The position of Al Qaadah, (or Julus) is similar to the Thunderbolt Pose in yoga, which firms the toes, knees, thighs, and legs. It is said to be good for those prone to excessive sleep, and those who like to keep long hours. Furthermore, this position assists in speedy digestion, aids the detoxification of the liver, and stimulates peristaltic action in the large intestine.


Last, but not least, the "throat chakra" is activated by turning the head towards first the right and then the left shoulder in the closing of the prayer. This nerve path is linked to the throat, neck, arms, hands, bronchials, and hearing – effecting individual creativity and communication.

It is believed that a person who activates all seven nerve pathways at least once a day can remain well balanced emotionally, physically and spiritually. Since this is the goal of all sincere Muslims, we all should strive to attain the perfection of stance, recitation, and breathing recommended in the Hadith while performing our prayers – the very same techniques of perfection taught in popular yoga, Tai Chi, and many other exercise classes.
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people about it instead of condemning your fellow muslims. Here's one: -

BaitiBadarudin said...

yeah, I'm taking yoga lessons from a Malay-Muslim teacher now coz was uncomforatble with dieties/idols in the studio of a previous instructor.
I do meditate (bertapa, macam orang dulu2) also but chant zikirullah and amin at the end.
This is common sense, no need for lah.

gangeticus said...

I do yoga as part of my exercise, and as a result, I have a pretty good physique.

Yes I am a Hindu (and proud of it!) and yes I do incorporate mantras into my yoga sessions. Unfortunately, in my case, at least, without the mantras, it wouldn't work.

If you can show me another globally accepted technique that can match yoga (for spiritual and physical health), I'd be impressed!

If you can't, I suggest putting up CCTV in all households and everywhere, cos people will be doing yoga anyway!

Anonymous said...

yoga cannot, tight jeans cannot, short hair cannot cos look tomboy but duit kopi can, murder can, robbing can..
The root of all evil..hee hee

cloudmckinsey said...

You have to admit that it is not easy being in Majlis Fatwa when your job is to issue fatwas on things which are not so clear cut, halal or haram. At the end of the day, you will be questioned first by god, whether your have fulfilled your obligation accordingly. So your nawaitu must be to please god first, people second.

What if you are to issue fatwas which go against the mainstream lifestyle? Must you hide it for fear that you may incite anger?

I'm not at a cross-road to choose whether or not to practice yoga, therefore this fatwa does not concern me much. I read a few comments from yoga practitioner who stated that yoga does not adversely affect their iman or aqidah in any way. Maybe you should rationalise with Majlis Fatwa. But to condemn the whole institution, just because you don't necessarily agree, is simply uncall for.

Anonymous said...

nawaitu tidak menghalal kan cara kakk

Anonymous said...

Maksud Yoga dari capaian berikut:
http://www.pustakahindu.info/tag/yoga/

Pada intinya ada empat cara untuk mencapai Tuhan dalam agama Hindu yang secara luas dikenal sebagai Yoga atau Marga. Kata Yoga dapat diartikan sebagai upaya pemersatuan dengan Yang Suci (Union with the divine).

Marilah kita insafi, umat Islam boleh tergelincir akidah dengan 3 perkara: Pertamanya dengan niat, Duanya dengan perkataan dan ketiga dengan perbuatan.

Walaupun tanpa bacaan mantera, pergerakan yoga itu sendiri melambangkan kafiat ibadat agama hindu yang bersumberkan tuhan Siva. Bagi orang Hindu teruskanlah, bagi umat Islam usahalah mendapatkan Solat yang khusyuk lagi tawadhuk. Ingat There is no God but Allah!

Anonymous said...

I knew Yoga. He was not a bad fellow. So why are they going to issue a FATWA on him? Yoga was not like Rushdie and I though Malaysia is not like Iran.

But I'm only an ignorant fool.

NURAINA A SAMAD said...

dear everyone,
let me say here that i am not condemning the fatwa council for issuing the fatwa. not at all.
just stating an opinion.
that said, i realise that the council must have issued the fatwa following queries from Muslims with regards to yoga.
i do understand the need for them to issue th fatwa.
some muslims doing yoga are sceptical about it.
so, in all fairness, the council felt that it needed to come to a decision on yoga.
thank you.

SANIBOEY said...

From Saniboey Mohd Ismail (MediaCorp Publishing Singapore). Just wanted to share my comment to theyogainstructordiaries.blogspot.com: As below:

YOGA HARAM?

By Saniboey Mohd Ismail

Aku harus menulis ini. Aku tak ada blog sendiri dan blog aku di www.gua.com.my adalah sebuah blog untuk dunia hiburan. Maka aku meminjam wadah ini buat seketika.

I read this today on Today newspaper (page 16) with the headline: Yoga May Be Banned For Muslim in Malaysia and it quoted the famous Perak Mufti, Harunsani Zakaria as saying: “If it involves any faith or religious elements, it is definitely not permissible but if it is just a form of exercise that is all right.” In the same news, it also quoted a professor in the Islamic Faculty of the National University of Malaysia, Zakaria Stapa saying that yoga could cause them (Muslims) to ‘deviate from their faith.’

Dan kemudian pantas aku membuka blog temanku, Nini atau blognya yang dikenali sebagai theyogainstructordiaries dan aku tersenyum simpul kerana dia bukan main marah lagi. Pantas Nini buat pelbagai justifikasi. Oh come on girl, please do not start a war because you know and do not be naïve that it will end with you on the loosing side.

Your justification should just be: “My yoga is a form of exercise. Nothing got to do with any of the six Hindu principle of Yoga at all.” That should be the only justification, period. But barangkali, Nini tengah marah and she went on and on and quoted a number of philosopher and golongan bijak pandai tentang kesahihan Yoga dalam Islam dan macam-macam lagilah.

Fact/Hakikat: Remind ourselves about the story of Qutbuddin Abdul Rahim a.k.a Shah Waliyullah Ad-Dehlawi, born on 4th of Syawal pada 1114 Hijrah near Delhi, India. Dia lahir dalam suasana masyarakat yang tenat dengan krisis keruntuhan akhlak serta agama yang hebat. Golongan agama pula berpuak-puak dan berbangga dengan puaknya tanpa mempersoalkan sama ada kepercayaan dan pendapat itu salah atau benar. Boleh dikatakan suasana yang berlaku ketika itu adalah sama seperti Rom dan Farsi sebelum kedatangan Islam and as you know, it is true that in every 100 decade, Allah pasti akan menurunkan seorang pembela agama dan barangkali Shah Waliyullah adalah tergolong
dalam kategori itu. Beliau menguasai pelbagai disiplin pengetahuan dan dianugerahi kebolehan sebagai pemimpin.

Fact/Hakikat: Shah Waliyullah berjuang berasaskan pendekatan melalui pena. Beliau menghapuskan amalan batil yang dibawa oleh golongan ulama palsu (alim pahsa seperti yang diistilahkan oleh Malek Bennabi) dan golongan sufi palsu, yang kononnya menyimpan rahsia ketuhanan. Ini kerana golongan ulama pada masa itu sibuk dengan pertelingkahan titik-bengik dan penafsiran ganjil mengenai hukum syariah, di samping sikap taklik buta kepada imam mereka. Sesiapa yang menyeleweng daripada keputusan itu, dianggap sudah menyeleweng daripada ajaran agama seluruhnya.

Gejala itu menyebabkan timbulnya puak, golongan dan parti yang sentiasa bergaduh, bertelagah serta berkonflik antara satu sama lain tanpa ada kesudahan. Golongan sufi pula adalah separa matang kerana terpengaruh dengan falsafah Yoga Hindu dan pandangan Syiah. Mereka memencilkan diri daripada masyarakat dengan alasan kononnya sudah bermartabat tinggi, lalu mengetepikan amalan syariah. Justeru itu, mereka bersikap malas dan tidak ada daya juang untuk berjihad bagi kepentingan ummah seluruhnya.

Fact/Hakikat: Syeikh Hamzah Fansuri adalah seorang Muslimin yang amat bertakwa. Yang disanjunginya ialah al-Khalik yang menciptakan alam semesta dan menentukan takdir-Nya sambil mengimbangi Iradah kreatif dengan Hikmah dan keadilan-Nya, Sultan seisi alam Yang Maha Pemurah dan maha Pengasih. Tetapi sayangnya sifat-sifat mulia itu jarang menghiasi khalifah di muka bumi, seperti sultan zalim yang sering berperang dalam sejarah bangsa Melayu pada zaman Hamzah.
Hamzah adalah seorang ahli tasawuf, yakni seorang zahid dan mistik yang mencari penyatuan dengan al-Khalik dan menemuinya di jalan isyk, iaitu kasih, tetapi justeru tasawuf adalah satu ideal peri kemanusiaan di kerajaan Melayu Abad Pertengahan yang tidak boleh membanggakan humanisme etikanya, kerana tasawuf mengajar mencintai Tuhan dan insan, dengan menitikberatkan manusia dan juga seisi alamnya yang turut bernyawa dan oleh itu ialah saudara sekandung seorang sufi. Tasawuf satu-satunya pandangan hidup yang membolehkan jika tidak menyekat kezaliman raja, maka paling sedikit menginsafkan mereka dan menyeru kepada belas kasih, tetapi usaha semacam itu selalunya agak berbahaya.

Namun Hamzah bimbang, sebab setiap orang menganggap dirinya berhak menjamah rahsia tasawuf yang murni. Dengan lebih hebat lagi dia membidas orang yang masih berpegang kepada ajaran yoga dalam usahanya untuk mengenal al-Haq serta golongan kolot yang memandang setiap sufi sebagai murtad.

Let’s say somebody, a kid type “Sejarah Yoga” on the Internet and they shall find this on Wikipedia:
Yoga (Sansekerta) dari bahasa Sansekerta berarti "penyatuan", yang bermakna "penyatuan dengan alam" atau "penyatuan dengan Sang Pencipta". Yoga adalah salah satu dari enam ajaran dalam filsafat Hindu, yang menitikberatkan pada aktiviti meditasi atau tapa di mana seseorang memusatkan seluruh pikiran untuk mengontrol panca inderanya dan tubuhnya secara keseluruhan. Masyarakat global umumnya mengenal Yoga sebagai aktiviti latihan utamanya asana (postur) bagian dari Hatta Yoga. Yoga juga digunakan sebagai salah satu pengubatan alternatif, biasanya hal ini dilakukan dengan latihan pernafasan, oleh tubuh dan meditasi, yang telah dikenal dan dipraktikkan selama lebih dari 5,000 tahun.Orang yang melakukan pertapaan yoga disebut yogi, yogin bagi lelaki dan yogini bagi wanita. Sastra Hindu yang memuat ajaran Yoga, di antaranya adalah Upaishad, Bhagavad Gita, Yogasutra, Hatta Yoga serta beberapa sasetra lainnya. Klasifikasi ajaran Yoga tertuang dalam Bhagavad Gita, di antaranya adalah Karma Yoga/Marga, Jnana Yoga/Marga, Bakti Yoga/Marga, Raja Yoga/Marga.

Nini, you sure you want to do all the religious justification now and have a war with them and end up with Harunsani saying that yoga is an enemy to Islam or you should re-think and just stick to: “My yoga, is a form of exercise?”

Your choice.

Tks.

nazri said...

Of course if u pray 5 times a day u dont ever need to do yoga whatsoever..if u could just translate the meaning of "haiya alal solah,haiya alal falah"....marila mengerjakan solat,mari menuju kejayaan....dah beribu2 tahun Islam ajak kita menuju kejayaan....Allah Hu Akbar!!

nazri said...

benggong punye orang...majlis fatwa dh buat keputusan,ape hang dok kepoh lagi...hang blajau quran ngan hadis ke?? klo hang xtau ape tutup mulut hang...haram umat islam menyerupai kaum kapir la mangkuk..klo dh yoga tu asal kapir,x payah la ko nak ikut...jangan pertikaikan plak....org islam x sembah ape yang kapir sembah,kapir x sembah ape yang kite sembah,bagi kapir agama dia,bagi kite agama kite...agama kita klo xde yoga ko x payah la sibuk2 nak yoga..ko tau asal usul yoga?????? x kira la sebaik mana pun yoga tu..haram tetap haram...x payah pertikaikan...ko orang islam ke??? berani ko pertikaikan keputusan ulamak ye??

Anonymous said...

India is Cradle of knowledge for Man Kind

SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A VERY LOVELY STATEMENT NEXT JAKIM WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE IMPOSE FATWA BAN ON THE FOLLOWING:
1. All Muslim should not use number '0' this is originated philosophy of Suniyam (Nothingness). There is indirect approach to accept the truth of universal creation. It may not suitable for Muslim.

2. Muslim shouldn’t practice NLP

3. Muslim shouldn’t use 'pi' formula.

4. Muslim shouldn’t use 'Chess Game'.

5. Muslim shouldn’t use Arithmetic and Geometric maths formulas.

6. Muslim shouldn’t use medical knowledge and cannot be doctor. Because the entire human's endocrine gland system well known and documented perfectly by Indian philosophy in various Vedas, which yet not discover into final detail by modern scientist.

7. Muslim shouldn’t use curry to cook.

8. Muslim shouldn’t cook/eat toosai, because it shapes like starting of 'AUM'

9. Muslim shouldn’t R&D anything because everything link to ATOM=ANU which first founded and introduce by Indian Veda.

10. Everything copied/duplicated required modification and reducing it to hide the original. Its happen to all including to languages which copied from Tamil which only language have oldest and un-destroyed Literature/Dictionary in the world.

11. Muslim shouldn’t use / do anything.

THE TRUTH IS ONLY ONE MAN PRESENT DIFFERENTLY

I highly suggest and urge JAKIM for the following FATWA:
1. Fatwa ban on all sports which remove skurfs (TUDUNG)
2. Fatwa ban on women/girls who take part sports which only wearing swim suite & underware (gymnastic).
3. Fatwa ban on women who wear shorts like Badminton.
4. Fatwa ban facebook for muslim who expose photos to public.
5. Fatwa ban for medical student who have expose and explorer both sex human body.
6. Fatwa ban for all Malaysian MOVIE which expose BODY from release for market.
7. Fatwa ban for all TV show which singing, dance, games which mere exposing body, action, talks which beyond ethic.
8. Fatwa ban for all liquar company like Calrsbeg, Guiness, etc. Ask them stop operation immediately.
9. Fatwa ban for all cigarate firm.
10. Fatwa ban for all massage/spa by rejecting all LICENCE.
11. Fatwa on muslim using the numeral which invented by Indian. '0' is Suniyam concept of indian nothingness philisophy which will leads towards Hindusism principle.
12. Fatwa from muslim girls going out for shift works.
13. Fatwa from muslim girls to go out without a family man together.

You know what will happen the land of lovely Malaysia will empty desert where not only Indian & Chinese will migrate but first of all Muslim Malays will migrate earlier.

DETAILS:
All reference here by Sanskrit (Euro-Indo) language document if refer by Tamil Document as original Indian language and only language qualify 11/11 criteria for pure language then knowledge have trace back history of kumari kandam which dated back 15,000 years ago. World's entire knowledge unfold from Indian Yogis breathe while in meditating. Proof being discover by latest researchers inside Indian Ocean.

Vedic Philosophy

The Vedas are the oldest written text on our planet today.
They date back to the beginning of Indian civilization and
are the earliest literary records of the human mind.

They have been passed through oral tradition for over
15,000 years, and first appeared
in written form between 2500 - 5,000 years ago.

Veda means “Knowledge” in Sanskrit which derived from Tamil Vetham.

The entire invention before and yet to come is origin from the source of Greatest Indian Siddhar, Yogi, Munivar's writing which arise from the result of practicing the Yogaa & Meditation.

A few to list:

India invented the Number System. Zerowas invented by Aryabhatta. The place value system, the decimal system was developed inIndia in 100 BC.

Aryabhatta was the first to explain spherical shape, size ,diameter, rotation and correct speed of Earth in 499 AD.

The World's first university was established in Takshila in 700 BC. Students from all over the World studied more than 60 subjects.

The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.
Sanskrit is considered the mother of all higher languages but it has trace back to Tamil as oldest language. Sanskrit is the most precise, and therefore suitable language for computer software - a report in Forbes magazine, July 1987.

Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. Charaka, the father of medicine consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.

Today Ayurveda is fast regaining its rightful place in civilization.
Christopher Columbus was attracted India's wealth and was looking for route to India when he discovered the American continent by mistake.

The art of Navigation was born in the river Sindh 6000 years ago. The word ‘Navigation’ is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. The word navy is also derived from Sanskrit 'Nou'.

In Siddhanta Siromani (Bhuvanakosam 6) Bhaskaracharya II described about gravity of earth about 400 years before Sir Isaac Newton. He also had some clear notions on differential calculus, and the Theory of Continued Fraction.

Madhavacharya discovered Taylor series of Sine and Cosine function about 250 years before Taylor.

Madhavacharya discovered Newton Power series.

Madhavacharya discovered Gregory Leibnitz series forthe Inverse Tangent about 280 years before Gregory.

Bhaskaracharya calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. Time taken by earth to orbit the sun: (5th century) 365.258756484 days

Infinity was well known for ancient Indians. Bhaskaracharya II in Beejaganitha(stanza-20) has given clear explanation with examples for infinity

Theory of Continued Fraction was discovered by Bhaskaracharya II.

Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression. Arithmetic progression is explained in Yajurveda.

Govindaswamin discovered Newton Gauss Interpolation formula about 1800 years before Newton.

Vateswaracharya discovered Newton Gauss Backward Interpolation formula about 1000 years before Newton.

Parameswaracharya discovered Lhuiler’s formula about 400 years before Lhuiler.

Nilakanta discovered Newton’s Infinite Geometric Progression convergent series.

Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations were explained first by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta.

Aryabhatta also propounded the Heliocentric theory of gravitation, thus predating Copernicus by almost one thousand years.

The value of "pi" was first calculated by Boudhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century long before the European mathematicians. This was ‘validated’ by British scholars in 1999.
Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic equations were propounded by Sridharacharya in the 11th century.
The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 1053 with specific names as early as 5000 BC during the Vedic period. Even today, the largest used number is Tera: 10 power of 12.

Maharshi Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted complicated surgeries like caesareans, cataract, artificial limbs, fractures, urinary stones and even plastic surgery.

Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient India. Over 125 surgical equipments were used.
Detailed knowledge of anatomy, physiology, aetiology, embryology, digestion, metabolism, genetics and immunity is also found in many texts.
When many cultures were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in the Sindhu Valley Civilization.

RigVedas (1.50), a hymn addressed to the Sun, refers quite clearly that the Sun traverses 2,202 yojanas in half a nimesha. This is in fact refers to the speed of light.

The World's First Granite Temple is the Brihadeswara temple at Tanjavur in Tamil Nadu. The shikhara is made from a single '80-tonne' piece of granite.

The world famous and priceless “Kohinoor” diamond, which is set in the Crown of the British monarch (Queen Victoria, and Elizabeth II), was acquired from India.

According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source for diamonds to the world.

Chess (Shataranja or AshtaPada) was reportedly invented in India.

The game of snakes & ladders was created by the 13th century poet saint Gyandev. It was originally called 'Mokshapat.' The ladders in the game represented virtues and the snakes indicated vices.

India's ancient achievements in Medical Science
Knowledge
Artificial Limb
Number of Chromosomes (23)
Combination of Male and Female
Analysis of Ears
Beginning of the Foetal
Parthenogenesis
Test Tube Babies ( from the ovum only)
Test Tube Babies ( from the sperm only)
Elongation of Life in confirmed Space Travel
Cell Division (in 3 layers)
Embryology
Micro-organisms
A material producing a disease can prevent or cure the disease in minute quantity
Developing Embyro in Vitro
Life in trees and plants
16 Functions of the Brain Eitereya
Definition of Sleep Prashna-Upanishad
Chromosomes

India's ancient achievements in Physical Science
Knowledge
Velocity of Light
Trans-Saturnean Planets
Space Travel to another solar system
Gravitational Force (Prashnopanishad)
Ultraviolet Band
Infra-Red Band
Tachyons faster than light
Nuclear Energy
Black Holes
Embryology
Monsoon at Summer Solstice
Entry in South America by Aeroplanes
Phosphorescent Trident at the Bay of Pisco, Peru, S.America
Aeroplanes
Robot
Atom (Divisible) & (Indivisible)

The 4 kinetic ideas behind Hindu Vedic Spirituality (NLP)
Karma
Maya
Nirvana
Yoga

Most worlds curry base cooking originated from India.

SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A VERY LOVELY STATEMENT NEXT JAKIM WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE IMPOSE FATWA BAN ON THE FOLLOWING:
1. All Muslim who use number '0' this is originated philosophy of Suniyam (Nothingness). There is indirect approach to accept the truth of universal creation. It may not suitable for Muslim.

2. Muslim shouldn’t practice NLP

3. Muslim shouldn’t use 'pi' formula.

4. Muslim shouldn’t use 'Chess Game'.

5. Muslim shouldn’t use Arithmetic and Geometric maths formulas.

6. Muslim shouldn’t use medical knowledge and cannot be doctor. Because the entire human's endocrine gland system well known and documented perfectly by Indian philosophy in various Vedas, which yet not discover into final detail by modern scientist.

7. Muslim shouldn’t use curry to cook.

8. Muslim shouldn’t cook/eat toosai, because it shapes like starting of 'AUM'

9. Muslim shouldn’t R&D anything because everything link to ATOM=ANU which first founded and introduce by Indian Veda.

10. Everything copied/duplicated required modification and reducing it to hide the original. Its happen to all including to languages which copied from Tamil which only language have oldest and un-destroyed Literature/Dictionary in the world.

11. Muslim shouldn’t use / do anything.

selampit said...

To the racist, ethnocentric Anonymous who claims that India was the cradle of knowledge for mankind.

I have a bad news for you, historians have shown that the birthplace of human civilization was Mesopotamia, in modern day PERSIA, strategically situated between the river Euphrates and Tigris. It was in Mesopotamia in 5000 BC that the first urban societies emerged.

While I have to admit that the proto-Dravidian's Indus Valley civilization is old (2600–1900 BC), it is certainly not cradle of knowledge for Mankind. All of the mathematical and scientific achievements you so arrogantly mentioned were not the invented during the Indus Valley period, they were introduced by the Aryan race, descendants of proto-Indo-Iranians. So back to Persia we go.

As I Muslim I can brag all day long, about the excellent achievements in the fields of sciences, mathematics, astronomy, medicine, geography, zoology, botany made by the Muslims. We discovered gravity before Newton, we discovered the cardio-circulatory system before William Harvey, We discovered trigonometry, algebra, logarithm. In Astronomy we were so advanced that we discovered the direction of the Sun's eccentric was changing, which in modern astronomy is equivalent to the Earth moving in an elliptical orbit around the Sun.

And oh yeah, we Muslims gave you Indians the Urdu language.

But I'm going to get emotionally childish and say no non-Muslims can apply our Muslim knowledge. Why? Because sciences and knowledge BELONGS TO ALL. They are universal properties that belong to the entire human race. First the Sumerians got them, then passed down to the Egyptians and Indians, then to the Greeks, then to Muslims, and now the Western World.

You have made fun of my religion by questioning the nature of Islamic jurisprudence. How would you feel if I were to MAKE FUN of Hinduism? I have an idea or two. In fact I have tons of idea.

BUT I WILL NEVER MAKE FUN OF ANY FAITH. First, because Islam forbids it, and second I FIND IT STUPID AND BARBARIC.

My Indian friends, just because there is a FATWA AGAINST YOGA, doesn't mean that the art is evil or bad in the eyes of Islam. Muslims are taught to RESPECT OTHER FAITHS. Please understand that this concerns out faith .(akidah)

gangeticus said...

I think what the council really wanted to say was "Lets destroy Hinduism". But they really can't say it because its not kosher and the international backlash they will be facing.

Its been done before, albeit crudely and slipshod, so they know the consequences. This is a new and innovative approach.

I remember the hatred against Hinduism in ugama classes. That was blatant, but it didn't work. I suppose they think this method may work.

I think this comment by "son" (9:26 AM) says it all:

i bet Yoga is good as long as the Muslims stay away from all the Hindu practise.

How is it bad if Hindus practice it? Does it make you chop people's head off or stone children to death?

Kopi-O Panas Satu said...

I like what one your reader said "do your own research".... one blog writer also make us ask ourself about yoga, not depend on mufti bulat-bulat for everyting......

http://tinyurl.com/6kkjzx

Anonymous said...

I would not touch the spiritual arguement becoz I am no saint. However, on the fizical side of the fatwa I agree 100%.

Believe me or not gyms nowadays hire bangladeshee orr someonee from india to show that the yoga they are selling are original yogo from india. These instructors are mostly men. When you do a yoga stance to relax your body you have to do some normal poses and some elicit poses. When you do it "wrong", the instructors will correct you. sometimes even holding on to someones buttocks as if the pose is "wrong". Sometimes grabing it to put that someones buttocks in the right possition. Trust me, only attractive young girls do it wrong in the eyes of the instructors. the fat and the unattractive ones alway do it right.

Remember the fatwa council is there to remind us what is right and what is wrong in this never ending change in our lifestyle. Letting men touch ones privates in the name of excercise is not allowed in any religion. Remember, do yoga at home, alone.

Come on fatwa council, pls elaborate further or use laymen's terms in telling why its banded. if one of the reasons is what I have just writened, pls band it. I don't want some bungla grabing my wife's rear end.

Anonymous said...

Certainly, never it is impossible to be assured.

Anonymous said...

What turns out?