tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post4422160829279505654..comments2024-01-27T19:41:05.143+08:00Comments on Nuraina A Samad's 3540 Jalan Sudin: It IS A Conspiracy But, So What...NURAINA A SAMADhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07671206532110686716noreply@blogger.comBlogger92125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-67644076261852567742008-08-24T13:31:00.000+08:002008-08-24T13:31:00.000+08:00sis ina,it is a conspiracy but so what??...so this...sis ina,<BR/>it is a conspiracy but so what??...<BR/>so this is the true color of our leaders;immoral and inconsiderate. shame for those people who choose this kind of person to be a leader.<BR/><BR/>www.mencandat.blogspot.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-79673762625740747992008-08-21T21:09:00.000+08:002008-08-21T21:09:00.000+08:00ina;waktu anwar diambang kuasa, ramailah orang yan...ina;<BR/><BR/>waktu anwar diambang kuasa, ramailah orang yang akan mengaku kawan, kot-kot kalau anwar jadi pm nanti adalah habuan untuk mereka.<BR/><BR/>Amat kurang kawan-kawan yang sanggup bersama Anwar sewaktu zaman kejatuhan beliau.<BR/><BR/>Setahu saya hanya dua orang yang masuk penjara kerana anwar; ezam dan nalla . Dan diwaktu Anwar begitu popular ketika ini, kedua-dua mereka tak lagi bersama Anwar. Kenapa ya?<BR/><BR/>Saya tak mengenali Anwar secara dekat, jadi kalau mengetahui cerita-cerita Anwar hanyalah dari akhbar ataupun Internet. Tapi bila kawan Anwar yang terlampau dekat dengan Anwar berkata keburukan mengenai Anwar , timbul kemusyikalan dalam hati kecil saya. Mungkinkah benar?<BR/><BR/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIjdbymVcIw<BR/><BR/>Kalaulah benar, amat malang sekali Rakyat Malaysia dibodoh-bodohkan dengan sesorang yang bijak berkata-kata walhal sebenarnya adalah seorang hipokrit besar abad ini.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-2497294235764649462008-08-21T02:59:00.000+08:002008-08-21T02:59:00.000+08:00Tak payah menilai apa yang dia buat tu, sekarang n...Tak payah menilai apa yang dia buat tu, sekarang ni Anwar yang taknak bersumpah apa cerita? Bukan susah sangat pun nak buat..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-2090166407129555122008-08-20T07:09:00.000+08:002008-08-20T07:09:00.000+08:00aina dear, both BN & PR are NO GOOD but (PR + ...aina dear,<BR/> both BN & PR are NO GOOD<BR/> but (PR + BN) & PM-ed by :<BR/> r-a-h-m-a-N (NAZRIN) = bagus !<BR/>( what say u ah, sweetie ?)<BR/><BR/>GOODBLESS the innocent people of Malaysia ! ( the ants are suffering when 2 stupid elephants fightng over a mate but TARZAN can save the ants if 'he' is willing !)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-27968391797843959842008-08-19T10:09:00.000+08:002008-08-19T10:09:00.000+08:00Sorry, but part of the link in my last post someho...Sorry, but part of the link in my last post somehow got truncated. It should have been http://www.wynnechambers.co.uk/pdf/Swearing_an_Oath.pdf.<BR/><BR/>KamalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-17461906936174178842008-08-19T09:00:00.000+08:002008-08-19T09:00:00.000+08:00To my Muslim friends on both sides, I say keep an ...To my Muslim friends on both sides, I say keep an open mind. Try to understand what it really means to swear an oath in the name of Allah and what we should infer from a person's willingness or otherwise to do so. Only then make up your minds and act accordingly.<BR/><BR/>I found this advice on the issue very helpful - http://www.wynnechambers.co.uk/pdf/Swearing_an_Oath.pdf. <BR/><BR/>KamalAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-80640767754299044232008-08-18T21:19:00.000+08:002008-08-18T21:19:00.000+08:00Dearest All,Let the process takes its course. The ...Dearest All,<BR/><BR/>Let the process takes its course. The swear is done. The case need to be proven beyond reasonable doubt. The last time it failed to do so. Can it be done this time? The charge is very specific - 3.01pm not 3.00pm etc.<BR/><BR/>The script involving the 'singer ex-boyfriend' is so convenient to be true.<BR/><BR/>What else? Lets all wait and not jump the gun.<BR/><BR/>The thruth will prevail! Insya'Allah.<BR/><BR/>Non-PartisanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-59684929870676064162008-08-18T18:14:00.000+08:002008-08-18T18:14:00.000+08:00sis,found this on LKS blog. well written..check it...sis,<BR/><BR/>found this on LKS blog. well written..check it out<BR/><BR/># Jeffrey Says:<BR/>Today at 10: 17.44 (5 hours ago)<BR/><BR/>Those who seek to incriminate Anwar based on his accuser’s swearing on Quran and Anwar’s not having done so are now in a bind facing a very knotty and intractable problem when the charge against Anwar under section 377B is that of consensual sodomy.<BR/><BR/>From perspectives of Religion : Sodomy is a capital offence in Islam. If the official charge against Anwar is that of consensual sodomy, it implies that the accuser/complainant is a willing participant in the unnatural act contrary to Islamic tenets. This further logically infers that the act of swearing on the Quran by an accuser/complainant - already in breach of Islamic tenets - cannot be relied upon by faithfuls as testimony of the truth of what occurred. Take the example of a robber or thief whose act of robbery and theft is un-Islamic. Can a robber and thief be given credence if he were to swear his innocence on the holy book that he was forced to rob or steal?<BR/><BR/>From perspectives of Secular Penal Code : If the accuser/complainant made the first police report based on non-consensual sodomy which is buttressed further by his taking an oath to testify to the act had been forced upon him, a charge based otherwise on “consensual” sodomy must fail by reason of it not corresponding with and contradictory to what the accuser/complainant himself alleges.<BR/><BR/>Reason : if the claims of the accuser of anal rape were not reflected in the criminal charge – the criminal charge having focused on consensual anal sex – it implies (1) that prosecution does not have evidence supporting the claims of the accuser/complainant of anal rape; (2) in ordinary instances this would be enough to stop prosecution but if prosecution were nevertheless persisted based on a different set of events introduced (ie consensual anal sex) entirely different from that claimed by the accuser (ie non consensual anal sex), such a prosecution will, in third parties’ minds, immediately smack of unjust persecution and incrimination (3) all other claims of prosecuting being justified on grounds of doing justice to the accuser would look hollow and farce because one cannot possibly do justice to someone alleging that he was involuntarily sodomised by a charge that implicates the acuser/complainant as a wiling consensual participant!<BR/><BR/>Based on the above, it is clear that whether one proceeds on the religious angle or angle of prosecution under secular law, both approaches do not seem to lend much credibility to efforts to incriminate the accused.<BR/><BR/>Going forward, if an attempt here is further made to inciminate the accused based on the “double insurance” of either the religious aproach or the secular legal approach, whichever the more successful (though both aproaches have already been shown inadequate above), then this persistence to incriminate at all costs will reflect bias and ill will on the part of the authorities, which will, as an unintended consequence, serve the greater political interest of the one accused instead, perceived by public as a victim of political persecution in the Permatang Puah by election, especially against the back drop of BN’s leaders’ public defence of the accuser/complainant in the media…..<BR/><BR/>rocky(original)rockyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02133226647732936167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-89443764697728425042008-08-18T13:51:00.000+08:002008-08-18T13:51:00.000+08:00"Anwar was acquitted of sodomy charges in 1998 bec..."Anwar was acquitted of sodomy charges in 1998 because of technical but the learned judges believed that homosexual activities did take place."<BR/><BR/>Are u sure about that?kesilapan teknikal dalam prosiding mahkamah :kalau tak cukp bukti dan terdapat kelemahan dari segi pertuduhan pun adalaj kesilapan teknikal.use ur mind la!!and one more thing..mana statement kata judge percaya anwar buat?give proof la...or quotation from the judgement ke..<BR/><BR/>Why u didnt ask some lawyers or even lecturer who thought in Criminal Law?i can give u some lecturer's name if u want to..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-60115147238086093052008-08-18T12:30:00.000+08:002008-08-18T12:30:00.000+08:00You don't believe swearing by the name of Allah or...You don't believe swearing by the name of Allah or Quran?<BR/><BR/>Maybe we should ask the Majlis Raja-Raja to stop doing the swearing when every DYMM Sultan becomes the Agong or Sultan? Or when the Prime Minister takes his oath to assume office?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-54596253443125478062008-08-18T02:27:00.000+08:002008-08-18T02:27:00.000+08:00It's fine to say you don't know if Anwar did commi...It's fine to say you don't know if Anwar did committed the crime (sodomy). <BR/><BR/>But do you really know that he didn't do it??<BR/><BR/>If you say it's a "conspiracy", you are implying he didn't do it. Then you are also making judgement ahead of the court.malaysianloverhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12303932947497917868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-76685377820285142202008-08-17T23:57:00.000+08:002008-08-17T23:57:00.000+08:00They tell us Anwar should swear like Say-fool, not...They tell us Anwar should swear like Say-fool, not knowing that it is the culture of hypocrites to hide behind their oaths, a repugnant culture in Islam. The Qu'ran states when handling oath lovers and hypocrites:<BR/><BR/><B>"They have made their oaths a screen (for their misdeeds): thus they obstruct (men) from the Path of Allah: truly evil are their deeds."</B> <BR/><BR/>(Al-Quran: 63: 02)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-33881855643342973262008-08-17T22:24:00.000+08:002008-08-17T22:24:00.000+08:00Dear nuraina;I have always enjoyed reading your bl...Dear nuraina;<BR/><BR/>I have always enjoyed reading your blog and this is my my first time giving comments here..<BR/><BR/>I can't believe any Muslim dare to lodge a report that someone sodomised him and then swear in the name of Allah that the actual act did happened. <BR/><BR/>If Saiful dare to do it, I don't understand why Anwar hesitated. 'Berani kerana benar dan takut kerana salah'<BR/><BR/>Anwar was acquitted of sodomy charges in 1998 because of technical but the learned judges believed that homosexual activities did take place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-23671172938609684672008-08-17T16:57:00.000+08:002008-08-17T16:57:00.000+08:00Micaeld and for those supporters of Anwar, whom ar...Micaeld and for those supporters of Anwar, whom are beginning to accept the possibility of him as sodomite / bisexual, think again. <BR/><BR/>He's married to Wan Azizah and you expect him not to be loyal to his own wife. What about the nation.?<BR/><BR/>It will affect his credibility as a leader, since he is subjected to sexual favours, blackmail etc<BR/><BR/>Unless he is not a Muslim, or canadian with a male spouse, maybe thats OK, but only for certain Countries<BR/><BR/>MMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-27173386406151052112008-08-17T16:18:00.000+08:002008-08-17T16:18:00.000+08:00the answer is in here http://www.youtube.com/user/...the answer is in here <BR/>http://www.youtube.com/user/antimamak音乐大王https://www.blogger.com/profile/03594360842927593421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-65697053571329278152008-08-17T14:08:00.000+08:002008-08-17T14:08:00.000+08:00After the dodgy medical examination following the ...After the dodgy medical examination following the questionable stomach problems - how come no mention at all about any defensive wounds? <BR/>Most people I know would put up some kinda defence if the sex isn't consensual - especially anal sex (which you don't have to personally experience to know that it isn't as easy as the, ahem, other orifice, to penetrate).<BR/>Not putting up a fight? Sai-fool, young strapping lad, vs Anwar... who's not exactly Stallone or Schwarzeneggar innit?<BR/>What excuse would he make up for that now... oh wait, knowing the company he keeps - he'd probably say he got pukau or nasi kangkang or something as stupid as the allegation in the first place.<BR/>aiyoh.<BR/><BR/>-RO-Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-86164079426955985342008-08-17T13:50:00.000+08:002008-08-17T13:50:00.000+08:00Omong and others of his disposition, read carefull...Omong and others of his disposition, read carefully what Saiful said when he swore upon his Allah.<BR/><BR/>"“Bismillahirrahman nirrahim. Pada hari ini, 15 Ogos 2008, saya Mohd Saiful Bukhari Bin Azlan, No Kad Pengenalan 850706-01-5687 dengan ini sesungguhnya dengan nama Allah Yang Maha Pemurah Lagi Maha Penyayang berikrar dan bersumpah seperti berikut….”<BR/><BR/><BR/>Omong you got to ask yourself if the Allah that you believe in is the same as the one Saiful swore to. <BR/><BR/>Saiful's Allah, seems not to know him. Thus Saiful finds it necessary to introduce himself, not just by name alone, but by I/C No. too. <BR/><BR/>And all this while I have been reading everywhere that the Allah of Islam is supposed to be all knowing. Apparently He does not know Saiful. <BR/><BR/>If Saiful was intending to swear on the Islamic Allah, than he has certainly taken Him in vain. He has blasphemed and insulted Allah.<BR/><BR/>When you talk to Allah or pray to Allah, a simple "I" would have sufficed. Anything more and you really undermine His reverence.Old Farthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06473446507494861946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-40110298741779007212008-08-17T11:39:00.000+08:002008-08-17T11:39:00.000+08:00Amir fart wrote a; "Whatever is said and done, Sai...Amir fart wrote a; <BR/><BR/>"Whatever is said and done, Saiful dared to take the oath in the name of Allah."<BR/><BR/> If a person takes an oath to accuse another without any collaborating evidences - in fact evidences that actually contradicted his assertion are available - is not actually being honest or sincere. He had in fact defile the good book. <BR/><BR/> Would Dr.M be willing to swear on the quran that he did not framed DSAI ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-42738385726179081182008-08-17T11:31:00.000+08:002008-08-17T11:31:00.000+08:00Omong wong : "You chose to believe a convicted abu...Omong wong : <BR/><BR/>"You chose to believe a convicted abuser of power and a convicted sodomite (overturned only on a technicality)."<BR/><BR/> If the evidences that had been disallowed by "irrelevant Augustine" were to be presented - such as the stolen blood serum planted onto the mattress - the case of conspiracy would have been a credible defence.<BR/><BR/> What he asked the SB officer to do would have been seen in its proper context of a conspiracy and the abuse of power would not stand given the circumstances. How about the revelation by the SB officer, given under oath, that mahathir had asked him to stop an investigation eventhough evidence (big stash of cash in the drawer) was found ? Wasn't this a worst form of abuse of power ? To be fair you should also question Dr.M. <BR/><BR/> But then again you are not supposed to be fair.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-51762784445931653122008-08-17T09:53:00.000+08:002008-08-17T09:53:00.000+08:00I quote you :"But do you know whether or not he is...I quote you :<BR/>"But do you know whether or not he is a sodomite/sodomist."<BR/><BR/>By the same token , I'm asking you how do we knoe he ISN'T ????<BR/><BR/>Befor we ask other to do he same swearing,lets do this one at a time.<BR/><BR/>Lets get Anwar to swear by the holy book first . Why is he so afraid ?<BR/><BR/>By the way i have yet to see any photos of Anwar doing the Haj, or for that matter any photo of him in the Holy City.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps Nuraina, with all her resources could enlighten us with this ?<BR/><BR/><BR/>manaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-53162015309646350552008-08-17T09:03:00.000+08:002008-08-17T09:03:00.000+08:00Omong, Anwar's conviction of abuse of power in 98 ...Omong, Anwar's conviction of abuse of power in 98 was clearly an abuse of power by Dr M. That case was clearly fixed.<BR/><BR/>Go and read the actual charge (it was an obscure piece of criminal legislation), go and study the ëvidence" tendered by prosecution and note the shambles that our Judiciary is in.<BR/><BR/>I pity your ignorance.<BR/><BR/>Even if Anwar is a sodomite, so bloody what? It is his sexual preference and has no bearing on his capability and character.<BR/><BR/>Grow up Omong. <BR/><BR/>Anwar is infinitely better than ALL the BN goods and morons that we have.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-37369081768654056072008-08-17T08:29:00.000+08:002008-08-17T08:29:00.000+08:00"Mohd Saiful bin Kukhari have just reduce yout FT ..."Mohd Saiful bin Kukhari have just reduce yout FT Mosque to a toilet and your Holy Book to toilet paper."<B>->YES</B><BR/><BR/>"So you see, all this UMNOPUTRAS and the episode on Saiful is a disgrace to whatever religion."<B>->YES</B><BR/><BR/>"Please realise UMNO Politicians have insulted Islam more than the Bar Council."<B>->YES, I really think so!</B><BR/><BR/><B>Anakbuah</B>anakbuahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14483669787103995580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-5689438975568023642008-08-17T07:22:00.000+08:002008-08-17T07:22:00.000+08:00I do not quite believe it that Anwar is a bisexual...I do not quite believe it that Anwar is a bisexual, but, there is always that nagging but...<BR/><BR/>Unless our Islamic education (Malay Islamic Education) has badly failed us, i.e. where children are taught that swearing on the Quran and/or on the name of ALLAH, the "sumpah laknat", is the most damning thing one can risk upon oneself, Saiful is doing a very bold thing.<BR/><BR/>But then again, Saiful can always repent after making a false sumpah (IF HE HAD MADE ONE).<BR/><BR/>In homophobic Malay Muslim Malaysia, to acknowledge being sodomized and to swear on the Quran, is a double whammy.<BR/><BR/>Is Saiful that desperate for money? Did he not come from a well-off family?<BR/><BR/>Anwar pun satu. Coffee boy bawak pergi luar negeri. Kerja sebulan dua on pro bono, tapi jadi "special assistant".<BR/><BR/>Melayu ciakap, kalau tilak ale ape-ape, masakan mee kampua bersarang lendah... Eh silap. Masakan burung tempua bersarang rendah...Ir. Hanafi Alihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09968863774056195660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-942019919556434092008-08-17T03:37:00.000+08:002008-08-17T03:37:00.000+08:00Nuraina, you said,"So, Anwar's enemies --whoever t...Nuraina, you said,<BR/><BR/>"So, Anwar's enemies --whoever they maybe -- and those who believe that he is not fit to be PM want to prove that he is. They have to.<BR/><BR/>Me said, <BR/><BR/>It is Anwar that has to prove his innocent too. Simply accusing conspiracy is not enough. He need to present his facts.<BR/><BR/>He said a lot of things but present no tangible fact to back up his words.<BR/><BR/>Simple example, his claim on death threat is a big joke. And you expect this person to become PM?<BR/><BR/>Anwar will have to face this sodomy spectre all by himself . And not drag the public into confusion.<BR/><BR/>Personally, it is easier to believe Anwar a sodomite rather than a conspiracy, which till to date, including the '98 saga, Anwar has never proved the existence of conspiracy, revealing the conspirator and the conspired individuals.<BR/><BR/>Conspiracy is the most convenient excuse. In my book, without any facts, it will only be an excuse.<BR/>So you better question Anwar where he gets his "facts" on the conspiracy.<BR/><BR/>And like you said --whoever they maybe -- the public wants to know whom exactly is "they".<BR/><BR/>Even if Saiful swore a week ago, or anytime since beginning of June, Anwar and his supporters will still label that as a conspiracy.<BR/><BR/>MMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-47830299842754068492008-08-17T01:23:00.000+08:002008-08-17T01:23:00.000+08:00Saiful's swearing text does not mention that he wa...Saiful's swearing text does not mention that he was forcefully sodomised. He just mentioned that, Anwar's 'thing' has entered his 'thing'. Anyone doing consensual sodomy can swear like that. <BR/><BR/>Therefore this case is not similar to a rape case, and as such to make an accusation that Anwar sodomised him, the proper procedure is to bring 4 witnesses, and not by swearing with the Quran. <BR/><BR/>If Saiful cannot bring 4 witnesses then he must be caned. Also any 3rd party including anyone of us, even the police and politicians who accuse Anwar of sodomy without the 4 witnesses, must be punished likewise.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com