tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post3658077703276721211..comments2024-01-27T19:41:05.143+08:00Comments on Nuraina A Samad's 3540 Jalan Sudin: Zahid Calling Bloggers....NURAINA A SAMADhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07671206532110686716noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-54457008964086934322008-04-04T18:43:00.000+08:002008-04-04T18:43:00.000+08:00Nuraina,Thanks for introducing me to "Passion of C...Nuraina,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for introducing me to "Passion of Christ". I will definitely go to 'see and hear myself'. I won't take your word that 'it was a good film'.<BR/><BR/>By the way, from where you know 'Wilders is a rightwing racist'? I don't even know who is Wilders before Fitna appears in youtube.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-14713955807392476842008-04-04T18:14:00.000+08:002008-04-04T18:14:00.000+08:00A Rational People,I'm sorry to disappoint you. It'...A Rational People,<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry to disappoint you. It's ok, really that I have not seen the film.<BR/>I will not be discussing the artistic merits or demerits of the film with anyone.<BR/><BR/>The fact that Wilders is a rightwing racist is not my assumption but is well-known documented fact.<BR/><BR/>WHat can I possibly gain by watching this film? A deepr understanding of Islam? A deeper understanding of racism and prejudice?<BR/><BR/>It's a bad film that I don't think I'd want to waste my time (watching).<BR/><BR/>You see, when there was so much controversy surrounding "Passion of Christ", yes...I went to great length to watch it. I wanted to see what the fuss.<BR/><BR/>It was a good film.<BR/>Again. thank you for visiting.NURAINA A SAMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07671206532110686716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-36471190318842761172008-04-04T17:04:00.000+08:002008-04-04T17:04:00.000+08:00Nuraina,Frankly, I am quite disappointed that you ...Nuraina,<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I am quite disappointed that you decided not to see Fitna. In any case, I still believe 'to see with my own eyes, and hear with my own ears' so to be convinced at certain things, as 'hear-say' may subject to wrong interpretation. You agree with me on this?<BR/><BR/>Anyway, without offence to any Muslim friend here, very often Muslims reacting to the so-called offensive materials without looking into the materials themselves, but on hear-say. This is why I said I am quite disappointed with you in this sense. But again, no offence, it is your choice.<BR/><BR/>We should adopt the attitude of your commentator, Baron Strawberrymunchen. His approach is the right one in solving an issue.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-66076995781855359572008-04-04T14:33:00.000+08:002008-04-04T14:33:00.000+08:00a rational people,thank you for the suggestion tha...a rational people,<BR/><BR/>thank you for the suggestion that i watch "Fitna"...<BR/><BR/>i try not to watch bad, violent films.<BR/><BR/>especially this type. <BR/><BR/>i was told, i won;t be missing anything....NURAINA A SAMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07671206532110686716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-73233154335288551602008-04-04T12:32:00.000+08:002008-04-04T12:32:00.000+08:00Kak Nuraina,I think a number of commenters have ma...Kak Nuraina,<BR/><BR/>I think a number of commenters have made a very pertinent point: that a large number of Muslims would (and do) indeed take seemingly angry verses from the Quran literally. It is sad but it is reflected in attitude: for example, suspicion or hidden disdain (i.e.,to regard as inferior to themselves) towards "non-believers", etc. <BR/><BR/>We should work to eliminate such attitudes, regardless of of our religion, for it does us all no good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-52196637946343748982008-04-04T12:15:00.000+08:002008-04-04T12:15:00.000+08:00Saudara Shahbandarmalakat said at 10:41 am: "But f...Saudara <B>Shahbandarmalakat</B> said at 10:41 am: <I>"But for those who read Al-Quran with the intention of finding its flaws and weaknesses, of cause The Almighty Allah would “ cheat” them into believing that they found one and they would forever be misled and be amongst the non believers forever until the end of his life."</I><BR/><BR/>I think this is a very poor claim of the intentions of the Almighty. It implies that He is spiteful in nature. I think one should be careful not to make interpretations such as this. Allah would truly be all-merciful and compassionate, and would never act out of malice to mislead or "cheat" his own creation whatever their earthly mistakes, Muslims and non-Muslims alike.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-72860559310166241262008-04-04T10:56:00.000+08:002008-04-04T10:56:00.000+08:00Nuraina,Thank you for your response. I choose to b...Nuraina,<BR/><BR/>Thank you for your response. I choose to believe you that 'there is no hate verses' in the Holy Qur'an. The thing is in Haris's blog, someone named SV Singam has commented that 'hate verses do exist in the Holy Qur'an but he further commented that the existence of such sentences does not suggest that the holy text promotes hatred. [refer Fitna(3)].<BR/><BR/>Anyway, I hope someone of authority and well verse in Holy Qur'an (I don't mean you or SV Singam are not well verse) can come out to explain about the so-called 'hate verses' instead of response to Fitna by way of anger or threat. The way Muslims response to Fitna speak a lot the 'behaviour' of themselves. I mean they can just respond to it by saying 'there is no hate verses in the Holy Quran, contents of Fitna are not well researched'.<BR/><BR/>All in all, how nice if all of us can practise our faiths in peace and not involve religion in politics and administration of a country. I sincerely hope politicians of Pakatan Rakyat can consider this seriously. <BR/><BR/>We Malaysians have put aside our differences in race and religion in the just concluded 12th GE and I believe we can continue to do the same thing for Malaysia.<BR/><BR/>Again, Nuraina, watch Fitna yourself, no harm.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-6781954317301112612008-04-04T10:02:00.000+08:002008-04-04T10:02:00.000+08:00Nuraina, you mentioned that the dutch were very op...Nuraina, <BR/>you mentioned that the dutch were very open, free and....<BR/>actually, i think the dutch are the most racist group of people around.(sorry to generalise, i am sorry to the minorities of dutch who are now). If we look through history, the dutch have always considered the natives in all the colonies to be'slaves' and lesser beings....even today the dutch has a superiority complex(they even think of themselves as better than any others - even europeans(or whites). Basically, these guys are just plain bigots....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-71963511466197476562008-04-04T09:48:00.000+08:002008-04-04T09:48:00.000+08:00a rational people,i meant -- there are no hate ver...a rational people,<BR/><BR/>i meant -- there are no hate verses in the Quran.<BR/><BR/>thank you.NURAINA A SAMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07671206532110686716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-79217706652990098842008-04-04T09:47:00.000+08:002008-04-04T09:47:00.000+08:00a rational people,in other circumstances, yes, i w...a rational people,<BR/><BR/>in other circumstances, yes, i would agree with you.<BR/><BR/>but in this, no. <BR/><BR/>first and foremost -- no I don;t have to watch the film to know what it is. i have been told my many Muslims -- more scholarly and learned than I -- that the some of verses used by Wilders were taken out of context to fit his context, and some of these verses were changed.. some lines were ommitted.<BR/><BR/>as a Muslim, I will help allay your fear (I assume you are a non-Muslim) -- there are no hate verses in Islam. Islam does not promote violence. <BR/><BR/>Just google for "quranic translation" in the internet. There are reliable and credible ones. Compare those verses used by Wilders with the translated verses.<BR/><BR/>I don;t have to do that. It is not me that Wilders want to influence.<BR/><BR/>Wilders -- a right-wing anti-Muslim parliamentarian -- is simply defaming and demonising Islam through a badly-made film. <BR/><BR/>But thank you for your thoughts.NURAINA A SAMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07671206532110686716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-44428764250976504082008-04-04T04:24:00.000+08:002008-04-04T04:24:00.000+08:00I would like to send Zahid a message: "You are a b...I would like to send Zahid a message: <BR/>"You are a bloody Hypocrite."<BR/><BR/>I think those in Malaysia who want to boycott Dutch products are the biggest hypocrites in this planet right now. After all, where were their vocals when Muslims were behaving like fanatics against non Muslims in our own country? Flashback: underage conversion of children when daddy or mommy converts, kidnapping of babies and wives, snatching dead bodies, temple demolitions, etc etc etc. <BR/><BR/>Please clean up your own backyard first, Only then your holier than thou attitude can be bought.<BR/><BR/>http://orangewaves.blogspot.com/2008/04/fitna-dutch-and-malaysian-hypocrites.htmltzarinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11994799737071881476noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-87252978306536342812008-04-03T22:01:00.000+08:002008-04-03T22:01:00.000+08:00petestop,I think you misunderstood what I was tryi...petestop,<BR/><BR/>I think you misunderstood what I was trying to convey.<BR/><BR/>When I say the Muslims used the Koran as a manual, I meant the Muslims literally took the Koran and also the Hadith like a workshop manual or manual for your TV,video or whatever.Islam is a way of life and the Koran is the way to live, for all Muslims<BR/><BR/>My statement is not meant to offend Christianity.That's the least of my intention.<BR/><BR/>Muslims took directions from the Koran and Hadith as guidance to their daily lives.Christians used the Bible mainly for religious rituals and does not interfere with their daily lives.<BR/><BR/>I would suggest all Muslims to read the Bible.It doesn't make you a lesser Muslims if you do so.gram.konghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17668147820217032682noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-72102179674510157932008-04-03T18:09:00.000+08:002008-04-03T18:09:00.000+08:00Geert Wilder is like the school bully. He's only d...Geert Wilder is like the school bully. He's only doing this to provoke a negative and violent reaction that he fully expects from Muslims, knowing fully well this is the kind of reaction that will only serve to strengthen his point that Islam is violent.<BR/><BR/>Best thing to do is to ignore him and the movie. The less reaction, the better. But I have a feeling that many won't see the point.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-56429126978408154252008-04-03T18:07:00.000+08:002008-04-03T18:07:00.000+08:00Nuraini,Don't you think it is scary if these hate ...Nuraini,<BR/><BR/>Don't you think it is scary if these hate verses are in fact exist in the Holy Qur'an? By choosing not to watch Fitna yourself is actually 'not the right attitude'. One should face the problem in order to solve problem, not to run away from it.<BR/><BR/>If in fact those hate verses exist, I think Muslims should face it and clarify to non-Muslims so to alley their fears to Islam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-38785958842024795352008-04-03T13:01:00.000+08:002008-04-03T13:01:00.000+08:00I'm non muslim and although I did catch snippets o...I'm non muslim and although I did catch snippets of the film, I didn't bother to watch the whole film because a piece of thrash put together by a racist retard like Wilders should not be given any notice. <BR/>His intention was solely to provoke outrage and mass protests from muslims so that he can then say smugly to the world " See what I told you about Muslims?" It is well known that he is rabidly against Muslim immigration into Holland and will stoop to any level to achieve his agenda. People of his twisted mentality should be consigned to the scrap heap where he truly belongs. <BR/>In thiis era of increasing globalization we're talking about being citizens of Earth and not merely pigeonholed into white non-white, muslims, christians, buddhists etc.<BR/>The same goes for us in Malaysia where we're talking about a Malaysia for Malaysians and not just Malays, Chinese, Hindus etc. Like the song says A new day is dawning folks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-60890235315899011502008-04-03T12:30:00.000+08:002008-04-03T12:30:00.000+08:00folks,i still haven't seen the film. but from what...folks,<BR/>i still haven't seen the film. but from what i have read about it (and from talking to people who have seen it), wilders took the verses out of context, in fact, excluding certain lines to suit his aim -- which is, of course, to demonise Islam, in the name of free speech and expression.<BR/>i'm sorry...i will not watch the film just for the sake of debating on the issue.<BR/><BR/><BR/>wilder had bad intentions. the film was "bad" because it misused the holy verses of the quran to show the world, to amplify to everyone what a terible religion Islam is, and, I suppose, to make non-Muslims not only suspicious of Islam and Muslims but to hate Islam and Muslims.<BR/>Perhaps, wilders has achieved his objective.<BR/><BR/>really, i don't think i want to watch it.<BR/>i'd not watch any film that demonises any religion, anyway. i don't see the point.<BR/>if someone had told me about the film minus the details, maybe i would have.<BR/><BR/>but now, what would it serve? just so i can tell people, "yeah...i've watched that film."<BR/>like it would make me more intelligent? enrich my knowledge?<BR/>maybe....but there are other films, books, blogs....<BR/><BR/>read http://mymines.blogspot.com/2008/04/fitnaindeed.htmNURAINA A SAMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07671206532110686716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-83964005474508906042008-04-03T12:23:00.000+08:002008-04-03T12:23:00.000+08:00This comment has been removed by the author.NURAINA A SAMADhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07671206532110686716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-66232660507616804122008-04-03T12:11:00.000+08:002008-04-03T12:11:00.000+08:00two wrongs dont make a righttwo wrongs dont make a rightmalayamudahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03860196713117059763noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-54926632513756080802008-04-03T11:36:00.001+08:002008-04-03T11:36:00.001+08:00http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f366/St0rmFury/1...http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f366/St0rmFury/1197902160677.jpgLaksarianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08969170408435789088noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-83801751592600142292008-04-03T11:36:00.000+08:002008-04-03T11:36:00.000+08:00This rabid Dutch politician is a mirror image of s...This rabid Dutch politician is a mirror image of some so-called Muslim leaders in our own country who only know how to spread ignorance, fear, and hate - instead of wider knowledge, understanding and love. All religions are essentially Belief Systems, which are culturally encoded programmes (or prepackaged software) designed to control the emotional responses and social behaviour of their adherents. In the digital age we have the opportunity to grasp the significance of indoctrination and programming (let's call it encoding) - and the option of deactivating, bypassing or deleting these destructive programmes. Therein lies the true meaning of <A HREF="http://magickriver.blogspot.com/2007/05/slavery-and-eight-veils-by-don-harkins.html" REL="nofollow">freedom </A>- to be free of inherited or acquired belief systems that no longer serve our evolution towards universal ethics and aesthetics.Starmandalahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03349987009726416189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-63111128845841325152008-04-03T10:41:00.000+08:002008-04-03T10:41:00.000+08:00[There are more than 600 verses that are related t...[There are more than 600 verses that are related to violence and cruelties in the Qu'ran. The gullible majority are easily influenced by these negative verses. It is only a minority that are spiritually matured to discern the negatives from the positives.}<BR/><BR/>My comment:<BR/><BR/>If you really understand and have the faith (after all faith is a special given privilege and bestowed by Allah only to whom He has chosen to have the faith-non other ) there is no “violent and cruelties” verses in the Al-Quran. <BR/><BR/>This is only a Fitna .Only those non - believers who have successfully pre-empted their mind with prejudices and armed themselves against believing any truth revealed by the Alquran when they attempt to read the Al-Quran, would be firmly and persistently repeat and spread this Fitna.<BR/><BR/> For those who read Al-Quran with intention to find the real truth, Insyaalah he will be guided and find the truth in the end as already shown by many previous converts who some of them have become good mubaligh. <BR/><BR/>But for those who read Al-Quran with the intention of finding its flaws and weaknesses, of cause The Almighty Allah would “ cheat” them into believing that they found one and they would forever be misled and be amongst the non believers forever until the end of his life.<BR/><BR/>If you think you can change the “negative verse” be it .After all Allah Has put up the challenge in the Al-Quran in one of the Verses .Have you read it?shahbandarmalakathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04276137589896223156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-47744208700725745452008-04-03T09:19:00.000+08:002008-04-03T09:19:00.000+08:00what if a Dutch film-maker were to make a movie th...what if a Dutch film-maker were to make a movie that criticises Israel, or even Judaism, on the basis of "free speech"?<BR/><BR/>I would sure expect protests and many quarters coming down hard on the maker as "anti-semitic", and as experience shows, anything remotely dubbed "anti-semitic would be prohibited and banned int he western world.<BR/><BR/>I personally would support the call to boycott Dutch products - the country, and the society after all, allowed the film-maker of "Fitna" to go ahead, and after he has acted maliciously, just to offend Muslims on the basis of "free speech", to go scot-free.<BR/><BR/>One can't make a movie in the same genre of "Fitna" in Singapore or Malaysia, even for the sake of "free speech"; the society , as expressed through the laws wouldn't allow it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-29510418573121443072008-04-03T09:13:00.000+08:002008-04-03T09:13:00.000+08:00I have not seen the film either. But to me it is a...I have not seen the film either. But to me it is all depend on his ultra motive. If his is to condemn the Al Quran as “evil revelation” from Almighty only to incite and motivate violent in this world (which supposed to include those the two world wars, the Jews holocaust, that was the works of fellow Muslim too? ) and to ridicule the faithful Muslims living on this earth since the creation of Adam, as he was the first Muslim ,according to Quran, let it be .That is his freedom .But remember The Al Quran has the solution for this kind of person. A faithful Muslim is only need to execute that’s all. Or at worst, we pray To Allah SWT and leave it to Almighty Allah SWT to deal with him after all that is also his creation. Aminshahbandarmalakathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04276137589896223156noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-61541361073699371862008-04-03T02:36:00.000+08:002008-04-03T02:36:00.000+08:00Do good to people who has done bad to us....that's...Do good to people who has done bad to us....that's Islam.<BR/><BR/>You don't put out fire...with fire, do you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-80181639589635255832008-04-03T02:33:00.000+08:002008-04-03T02:33:00.000+08:00Salam Puan Nuraina,Firstly, on Zahid's comment abo...Salam Puan Nuraina,<BR/><BR/>Firstly, on Zahid's comment about bloggers condemning the government. Hah! Bloggers jugak yg salah ye, En. Zahid.<BR/><BR/>Secondly, on the issue of Wilders attack on Islam. Such attack has been going on from the very first day Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. openly called on the Arabs in Mecca to accept the faith. History has shown that it will continue to happen. But what has the worldwide Muslim community done? While we profess that Islam is the compassionate and peaceful way of life, the divisiveness of Muslims all over the world has not shown it to be so. It is therefore ironic that it takes a non-believer to make Muslims rally together. A bitter pill to swallow, indeed...Fadhilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14091828414987087822noreply@blogger.com