tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post1934838028352175253..comments2024-01-27T19:41:05.143+08:00Comments on Nuraina A Samad's 3540 Jalan Sudin: "Allah" And What Apocryphalist Thinks....NURAINA A SAMADhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07671206532110686716noreply@blogger.comBlogger54125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-11184456255550539612012-04-26T15:09:37.795+08:002012-04-26T15:09:37.795+08:00So good topic really i like any post talking about...So good topic really i like any post talking about <a href="http://www.ancient-egypt.info/" rel="nofollow"> Ancient Egypt</a> but i want to say thing to u Ancient Egypt not that only ... you can see in Ancient Egypt <a href="http://www.ancient-egypt.info/p/ancient-egyptian-pyramids-map.html" rel="nofollow"> Ancient Egyptian Pyramids Map </a> and more , you shall search in Google and Wikipedia about that .... thanks a gain ,,,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-11565882849514220142009-03-26T23:33:00.000+08:002009-03-26T23:33:00.000+08:00Language issue, human right issue or religious iss...Language issue, human right issue or religious issue? Maybe more on the first two. By disallowing the christian community to use the word 'Allah' in their scripts, the authority fails to respect their right as humans. Many people who posted comments on this blog seem to challenge the christians to look in the Bible for the word Allah. Nope, you will never find it in the original Bible, because the Bible has been translated into many languages. Thus, we refer to this issue only in relation to the Malaysian Bible (or rather, Indonesian ones since Bibles are not permitted to be printed in Malaysia anyway). I guess the real issue is the minority is being bullied. Just because they are the minority, they are stripped of their human rights to practice what they are comfortable of practising. Hey, what if all the non-muslims be placed in one part of Malaysia where they can live in peace and not viewed as threat to the high and mighty Majority? Then let them manage their own affairs, do not impose on them etc. I think I'd like that...although I'd certainly miss my good Muslim friends...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-37712609584777899592009-03-17T13:20:00.000+08:002009-03-17T13:20:00.000+08:00To my Christian Friends1.What did Jesus called his...To my Christian Friends<BR/><BR/>1.What did Jesus called his followers?<BR/><BR/>2.Did Jesus teach Trinity or Unity of Almighty God the Creator?<BR/><BR/>3.Who started to used the word " Christianity" ?<BR/><BR/>Please refer your bible for the answers, anyhow which bible version is the authentic?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-36829445336620009352009-03-16T22:30:00.000+08:002009-03-16T22:30:00.000+08:00Allah the Almighty Creator21:22 (Y. Ali) If there ...Allah the Almighty Creator<BR/><BR/>21:22 (Y. Ali) If there were, in the heavens and the earth, other gods<BR/>besides Allah, there would have been confusion in both! but glory to<BR/>Allah, the Lord of the Throne: (High is He) above what they attribute<BR/>to Him!<BR/><BR/>Who are we to prevent others especially the Christian to called<BR/>Almighty God the Creator as Allah?<BR/><BR/>It only proved the failure of our education system. After more than 50<BR/>yrs of independent and living together, many Muslim don’t even<BR/>understand Al Quran and Hadith or share Islam with their non Muslim<BR/>neighbours and friends.<BR/><BR/>Didn’t the Malaysian Government realised that Prophet Abraham is the<BR/>father of all the three major faiths ie Islam, Christian and Judaism.?<BR/><BR/>Allah the Almighty Creator is the God of Abraham, Moses, Jesus,<BR/>Muhammad (peace be upon them) and all mankind, believers and non<BR/>believers.<BR/><BR/>Why don’t we refer to the Quran and find the guidance there<BR/>• 2:1 (Y. Ali) A.L.M.<BR/>• 2:2 (Y. Ali) This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without<BR/>doubt, to those who fear Allah.<BR/>• 2:3 (Y. Ali) Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and<BR/>spend out of what We have provided for them;<BR/>• 2:4 (Y. Ali) And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and<BR/>sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the<BR/>Hereafter.<BR/>• 2:5 (Y. Ali) They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is<BR/>these who will prosper.<BR/>• 2:6 (Y. Ali) As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them<BR/>whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.<BR/>• 2:7 (Y. Ali) Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their<BR/>hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they<BR/>(incur).<BR/>• 2:8 (Y. Ali) Of the people there are some who say: “We believe in<BR/>Allah and the Last Day;” but they do not (really) believe.<BR/>• 2:9 (Y. Ali) Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe,<BR/>but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!<BR/>• 2:10 (Y. Ali) In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased<BR/>their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they<BR/>are false (to themselves).<BR/><BR/>Allah warned the Christian in the Quran but why many fail to understand:<BR/><BR/>5:14 (Y. Ali) From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did<BR/>take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was<BR/>sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the<BR/>one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show<BR/>them what it is they have done.<BR/><BR/>5:15 (Y. Ali) O people of the Book! There hath come to you our<BR/>Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and<BR/>passing over much (that is now unnecessary). There hath come to you<BR/>from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book,-<BR/><BR/>5:16 (Y. Ali) Wherewith Allah guideth all who seek His good pleasure<BR/>to ways of peace and safety, and leadeth them out of darkness, by His<BR/>will, unto the light,- guideth them to a path that is straight.<BR/><BR/>5:17 (Y. Ali) In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is<BR/>Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against<BR/>Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother,<BR/>and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the<BR/>dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He<BR/>createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”<BR/><BR/>5:18 (Y. Ali) (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: “We are sons of<BR/>Allah, and his beloved.” Say: “Why then doth He punish you for your<BR/>sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth<BR/>whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah<BR/>belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is<BR/>between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)”<BR/><BR/>There are many contradictions in the bible, however the true teaching<BR/>of Moses and Jesus (Esa) are well preserved by Allah.<BR/><BR/>Deuteronomy 5:6–11<BR/>6 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt,<BR/>out of the house of slavery;<BR/>7 you shall have no other gods before me.<BR/>8 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of<BR/>anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or<BR/>that is in the water under the earth.<BR/>9 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your<BR/>God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents,<BR/>to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,<BR/>10 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those<BR/>who love me and keep my commandments.<BR/>11 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God,<BR/>for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.<BR/><BR/>TRINITY is not the teaching of Jesus because Jesus preached One God<BR/>the Almighty Creator in the bible:<BR/>One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing<BR/>that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the<BR/>commandments, which is the most important?” “The most important one,”<BR/>answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord<BR/>is One. Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your<BR/>soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’ The second is<BR/>this: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no commandment<BR/>greater than these.” (NIV, Mark 12:28-31).<BR/><BR/>Every Muslim old and young should understand the meaning of Ayatul<BR/>Qursi and Surah Ikhlas<BR/>• 2:255 (Y. Ali) Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the<BR/>Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are<BR/>all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in<BR/>His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to<BR/>His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they<BR/>compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth<BR/>extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in<BR/>guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in<BR/>glory).<BR/>• 112:1 (Y. Ali) Say: He is Allah, the One and Only;<BR/>• 112:2 (Y. Ali) Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;<BR/>• 112:3 (Y. Ali) He begetteth not, nor is He begotten;<BR/>• 112:4 (Y. Ali) And there is none like unto Him.<BR/><BR/>Please ensure that all Muslim students learn and understand Aqidah or<BR/>Tauhid in school. The Education Minister and every muslims are<BR/>answerable to Allah if any Muslim student fail to understand Islam or<BR/>confused with the word " Allah" putting someone in jail or ISA for non<BR/>believer calling Allah as the Almighty Creator is not the teaching of<BR/>Islam or the Sunnah of Rasululah s.a.w.<BR/><BR/>A positive note from Allah to all Christians<BR/><BR/>Surah 5:Ayat: 82-83 “And thou wilt find the nearest of them in<BR/>affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are<BR/>Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks,<BR/>and because they are not proud. When they listen to that which hath<BR/>been revealed unto the messenger, thou seest their eyes overflow with<BR/>tears because of their recognition of the Truth. They say: Our Lord,<BR/>we believe. Inscribe us as among the witnesses”<BR/><BR/>Two very informative books must read by Muslim and Christian<BR/>http://www.usislam.org/converts/converts.htm<BR/>http://www.scribd. com/doc/2731984/ Jesus-the- Bible-Rashad- Abdul-Muhaimin<BR/><BR/>Allah know bestAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-23142645556653156282009-03-02T19:11:00.000+08:002009-03-02T19:11:00.000+08:00The use of the term "Allah" in the Chris...The use of the term "Allah" in the Christians' literatures was started by SIB (Sidang Injil Borneo) which was started by the wife of an ex-President of Indonesia. She was a disbeliever (more to anti-Islam but married to a muslim and was trying hard to convert her husband the Bapa Presiden) and wanted to confuse the Indonesian [came all the theories to brainwashed the masses that "lu punya tuhan sama gua punya tuhan" and the many adaptive changes to the already plug & play teachings]. She started the SIB Gereja. So in biblical literature, it only started quite recently. Don't be surprised as in Indonesia they do allow this mixed-religions marriage (hoping I guess that the Christians are orthodox in belief - to use that "people of the book" clause).<BR/><BR/>Why didn't the Indonesian protest against the usage? ~ See earlier statement - of the founder of the church.<BR/><BR/>Interestingly, in her quest to 'play-a-fool' with the Almighty, she even went to Mecca. Don't know what happened there but on her return to Indonesia, she died. (Can check the history books of Indonesia for dates of quest to "menyesatkan" = date she married the President, my assumption.)<BR/>After her death, as it goes, when the mastermind died, things turned chaotic. <BR/><BR/>To those who asked why are the Christians so "sibuk-sibuk" insisting on the use of the name: To start with, price-tag for a muslim-convert is a lucrative business in their association to lead-astray. And to put it in MLM style, once you start singing 3 times a week, you don't go in empty handed. ;p<BR/><BR/>~ FYI, tqAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-50002942600464948952009-02-06T14:12:00.000+08:002009-02-06T14:12:00.000+08:00actually gomen scared that malays too stupid to un...actually gomen scared that malays too stupid to understand the difference la ..after they get confused and all become christians beramai-ramai..<BR/><BR/>becos malays not strong in their faith and knowledge of their faith.. british also say this race not the sharpest tool in the shed la...<BR/><BR/>just like the economy, their faith also mesti tongkat lar mauhahahahahhaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-50262615872042098182009-02-05T23:58:00.000+08:002009-02-05T23:58:00.000+08:00I'm sorry, but I must speak up... this is VERY ins...I'm sorry, but I must speak up... this is VERY insulting... and intolerant of other people's religion. It is downright rude.<BR/><BR/>Islam is meant to be a gentle religion. Islam is meant to lead others to enlightenment. <BR/><BR/>"Fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight you, but do not transgress limits. Allah does not love transgressors" (2:190)<BR/>Shame on you. <BR/><BR/>Surely, you'd not want people of other faiths to make a mockery of Islam and the Prophet this way, especially when they have not understood the religion fully. <BR/><BR/>Which you have done to Christianity by grouping all Christians under the umbrella of the Pope.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-8494150158673997172009-02-04T18:12:00.000+08:002009-02-04T18:12:00.000+08:00Comment censored over at Jebat Must Die (again) .....Comment censored over at Jebat Must Die (again) ...<BR/><BR/>Jebat, jangan kurang ajar. Kita kan tau your intention to compose that letter to the Pope was done in a half-mocking manner. And don’t try to wiggle your way around. It’s only when you discovered to your horror that my comments was posted over at Nuraina’s that only then did you posted mine. Now, you or the government have no right at all to ban the use of Allah on Malay-speaking Christians. Don’t interfere in other people’s religion. How they conduct their worship and how they address God is their business, not yours. This is a lesson in freedom of religion. I am not going to hammer your head, although you deserve one. But it is worth understanding that EXISTING religious practice with long-standing claim to historical precedent is not the concern of the government. <BR/><BR/>If confusion exists, then it is YOUR problem. Not ours. Understand this, and this will go a long way towards resolving religious and racial harmony in this country. There is no justification whatsoever, not in the name of the Quran, Muhammad or Islam, for banning the use of Allah on Malay-speaking Christians. Period. <BR/><BR/>Talk about consistency. The rest of the muslim world does not engage in this stupid act and you want to claim that which is clearly a fundamental breach of human right. Listen here, there is no human right for muslims and human right for non-muslims. ALL have the same human rights. The sooner the likes of you understand this, the better.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-62836297701064791792009-02-04T10:18:00.000+08:002009-02-04T10:18:00.000+08:00Another thing mr. libation, you listen very carefu...Another thing mr. libation, you listen very carefully ... <BR/><BR/>There were two things which Zahid Hamidi said were - to a large extent - correct. <BR/><BR/>1. Based on the Constitution, Malaysia IS an Islamic state. Not "directly" (i.e. legally) but "indirectly" (i.e. symbolically). Even someone with a superficial understanding like you would know (and presumably respect) that in mainstream Islam, there is no separation between religion and politics. So, even though I am a DAP and PR supporter, I have no qualms with the notion of an Islamic state as long as it is properly defined. So, I disagree with Kit Siang and Karpal since their conception is actually one-sided (since they appeal to a LEGAL definition only) without taking into account as they say, the "hakikat politik" or political reality of the day. <BR/><BR/>2. Malaysia is a sovereign nation and has the right to establish laws it deems fit as long as it does not infringe on the basic or fundamental liberties, freedom, rights. The government of the day has the right to limit the circulation of any publication, including the Herald. But it has no right at all to tell people how they conduct their religion. Banning the use of Allah is tantamount to just that. How EXISTING religious practice with long-standing precedent is not the business of the government. That's the meaning of freedom of religion (under the Constitution). How non-Muslim are to PUBLICLY PROPAGATE their respective religions like through publications are subject to LIMITED limits imposed by the government as it deems fit. The two are not the same. <BR/><BR/>So, understand this Mr. Libation Fool.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-35677139086162613852009-02-04T09:46:00.000+08:002009-02-04T09:46:00.000+08:00Ini betut bodoh punya teaching.That's the whole po...Ini betut bodoh punya teaching.<BR/><BR/>That's the whole point. The Good News, Khabar Gembira, is not from ABOVE, does not come from HERE. It's foreign, alien, strange, it's ... OFFENSIVE(!!!) to you AND me. So, it's a MIRACLE when the SINNER who is BOUND to sin believes the Gospel. Christ crucified on the Cross is foolishness and a stumbling-block. In this world, we live by condition. The Gospel, from another world, is UNconditional. As they say, di-situlah, terletak pangkalnya. <BR/><BR/>And one more thing don't denigrate Malays or whoever with obscene words. You think you're different from the Malay? You think I'm different from the Malay? We are all sinners, you fool! <BR/><BR/>Lastly, conversion is the work of God. It's not the work of man. So, you listen carefully, the Church in Malaysia whether Protestant (which I am) or Roman Catholic (which I disagree and oppose) or modern-day happy clappy evangelicals (which Protestants today are) is bound to obey the authorities of the day as divinely ordained. Go and read Romans 13. This means that we cannot proselytise Muslims because we respect the laws of the land. Christians like non-Christians are bound to the LAW. There is no higher morality which distinguishes a Christian from a non-Christian. Remember, for the Christian, his/her righteousness is not earned, but entirely from "above". So, Christian and non-Christian do the same good works (outwardly). No difference at all. The breaking-point is only when there are Malays and other Muslim bumiputeras who COME to us secretly. That's the line we draw. Understand?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-88297183783910836512009-02-04T08:58:00.000+08:002009-02-04T08:58:00.000+08:00Nuraian & Apocryphalist,Good post and nice wri...Nuraian & Apocryphalist,<BR/><BR/>Good post and nice writings and arguments.<BR/><BR/>Allah grant you the courage and wisdom to write and explain things. Alhamdullilah.<BR/><BR/>For those Muslim that cannot see the truth, go back and start praying and seek blessing from Allah, because Allah is All Merciful. I fear the wrath from Allah and I pary it would not befall our Muslimin and Muslimat.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-90687320088390891812009-02-04T08:19:00.000+08:002009-02-04T08:19:00.000+08:00All these are man made. Man made these for man to ...All these are man made. Man made these for man to believe.<BR/><BR/>And now man themselves are arguing amongst man themselves.<BR/><BR/>Are we man enough to admit these man made stuff?<BR/><BR/>Where's god when we need him at this godly hour?<BR/><BR/>Gawd knows!<BR/><BR/>A GOOD MAN DOES NOTHING.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-80893718519241056772009-02-04T01:08:00.000+08:002009-02-04T01:08:00.000+08:00Actually all this confusing issues and debates can...Actually all this confusing issues and debates can be solved in one stroke of honesty; just go back to the real scripture.<BR/><BR/>At the end of the day, Bible is supposed to be the Word of God. <BR/><BR/>Never once it asked any Christians to play GodUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12072756461657832849noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-80455307129067078752009-02-03T23:45:00.000+08:002009-02-03T23:45:00.000+08:00Well Empanggup & Don Ambrose...You can see in ...Well Empanggup & Don Ambrose...<BR/><BR/>You can see in this article & the comments alone... the ignorance and arrogance of many Wessies towards your religious/cultural practices & the indigenous Christian community of East Malaysia. Who certainly are no small number...<BR/><BR/>Even within Bumiputeras there's a 'First' & 'Second' class. To paraphrase Orwell... "All Bumis are Sons-Of-The-Soil, but some Bumis are greater Sons-Of-The-Soil than others"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-83042197585736886232009-02-03T23:38:00.000+08:002009-02-03T23:38:00.000+08:00dom ambrose,cuba ko sakap sama sia sejak bila org ...dom ambrose,<BR/><BR/>cuba ko sakap sama sia sejak bila org borneo sakap bahasa melayu/indonesia? kalau iban memang sakap iban bah. kalau dusun memang cakap dusun bah.<BR/><BR/>orang bajau yg islam pun cakap bajau bah. jadi jawab soalan sia sejak bila orang borneo cakap bahasa indoneia ni?EQUILIBRIUMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08280067636366861034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-19008500095452307372009-02-03T21:25:00.000+08:002009-02-03T21:25:00.000+08:00JebatmustdieI think you have set out a reasonable ...Jebatmustdie<BR/><BR/>I think you have set out a reasonable argument. It is most definitely a lingual issue. An issue that to me never occurred to have violated or would become a problem to my fellow Malaysians of the Muslim faith. You could not have expected the Christians to think that using Allah may be an issue with Muslims, rightly or wrongly.<BR/><BR/>What was needed in the first place would have been some friendly chats and a quiet whisper on an informal basis to sus out what to do about this. <BR/><BR/>I am confident, communicated properly this matter would never have arisen. I believe The Herald would have been mindful and quietly just excluded the use of the word Allah. Bahasa Bibles are mainly imported from Indonesia and not much can be done about this at this time. And I believe it is really no big deal to completely otherwise not use Allah among Christians in Malaysia.<BR/><BR/>Instead of that, the manner in which this seems to have been communicated would suggest that those in power just wanted to show their power. They issue orders and so on and make all kinds of accusations.<BR/><BR/>Bloggers whose understanding of issues, is something I have to now question, make it even worse by propagating the wrong message like the petition that is being drafted to the Pope for instance. <BR/><BR/>Under these circumstances I too would have no choice but to tell the proponents of this Allah censorship to shove off. <BR/><BR/>Shows you what idiots we have in our politicians. Communicating your sensitivities is not by issuing orders that transgress into other peoples' territories just because you think you can. <BR/><BR/>Jebatmustdie, now that you have probably been the one to identify what I think might just be the core issue, maybe if you think what I say here makes sense, then we should move to push this debate out of here and into a more friendly atmosphere where civility will prevail and decency will allow for the needful to happen. <BR/><BR/>What is happening now is just mischievous and without realising popular bloggers who should know better are fueling the fire.Old Farthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06473446507494861946noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-40499296628514559452009-02-03T20:59:00.000+08:002009-02-03T20:59:00.000+08:00Dear Old Fart,You wrote;"Allah as used in the Mala...Dear Old Fart,<BR/><BR/>You wrote;<BR/><BR/>"Allah as used in the Malay Bible is used as a generic noun. Not as a pronoun. And later on that Allah is called Yahweh, Jehovah....whatever.... It is like requiring me to call my cat "Cat"!!"<BR/><BR/>Smart argument, it may be applied to Christians, BUT NOT TO MUSLIMS. NEVER!!<BR/><BR/>While it is beyond doubt that your cat is ‘cat’, the TRINITY DOGMA states that 'Allah' is the unity of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead.<BR/><BR/>So Jesus is 'Allah' in this sense. The problem is, to attribute ‘Allah’ to Jesus is BLASPHEMY in Islam, a mortal sin of the highest order. On the contrary, the Christians do not commit any sin if they refrain from using the word Allah, since they’ve been doing so for two thousand years.<BR/><BR/>And TRINITY IS A DOGMA in Christendom, IT CAN NOT BE DISPUTED in any way, unless of course, you sever ties with Papacy and the Church of England (Protestantism). Thus when a fellow Christian utters “Allah bless” after sneezing, he is referring to Jesus in earnest, and he HAS TO because IT IS A DOGMA. In fact, whenever a fellow Christian says or write the word ‘Allah’, he is wholeheartedly referring to Jesus.<BR/><BR/>And for your information, Yahweh, Jehovah and other forms of the ‘tetragammaton’ 'YHWH' is NOT JESUS; unless Judaism also embraces trinity, which in any case I find highly unlikely.<BR/><BR/>The Torah was revealed in ancient Hebrew, it DOES contain the word 'Allah'. The Psalms was revealed unto David in the Coptic tongue; it DOES NOT contain the word 'Allah'. Similarly the Bible was revealed in Assyrian-Aramaic unto Christ Jesus, it too DOES contain the word 'Allah'. The word Allah only made its first appearance exclusively in the Quran as revealed unto Muhammad. In fact ‘Allah’ is derived from Arabic ‘Al’ (The), and ‘Illah’ (God).<BR/><BR/>Which is why I find it rather odd - this obsession and fixation to use an Arabic word that DOES not appear in neither the old and the new testament. <BR/><BR/>Believe me, our Christian pribumis in East Malaysia WILL NOT lose their faith in the Lord as their Savior if they DO NOT USE the word 'Allah'. Just look at their brothers and sisters in the neighboring Philippines. They are all devout followers of Christ over there, even without the word ‘Allah’.<BR/><BR/>And please (with sugar on tops), THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH POLITICS! It is all about AKIDAH to us. We divert from the true akidah and we lose eternity.<BR/><BR/>For your information we Muslims do not worship UMNO or Ketuanan Melayu, we worship the God Almighty five times a dayselampithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10562491157384273237noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-36189920315595162242009-02-03T18:32:00.000+08:002009-02-03T18:32:00.000+08:00Hello Too-Ballless-to-put-own-name Anonymous of 5:...Hello Too-Ballless-to-put-own-name Anonymous of 5:29 pm,<BR/><BR/>Itu macam kaaa ini Klistian ajar? Nabi Adam makan itu buah dalam syurga kalu, habis satu dunia sampai day of resurrection tanggung dia satu olang punya dosa? Ini betut bodoh punya teaching. No wonder more and more people turning away from Christianity in the west into either disbelief or into other religions.<BR/><BR/>You know, I dont think Jesus Christ ever taught that at all. Ever! It was first taught by Augustine of Hippo 400 years after Jesus Christ. Many things maaa Jesus Christ never taught one. Then they put it in. Then they take it out again. As if the Holy Book is like buku 555 that you write and erase masa mahu hutang beli sulat khabar kedai mamak maaa.<BR/><BR/>At least you make your stand clear at the last sentence: they are not the same Allah. Then why sibuk sibuk one to put His Name in? Put Yahweh laaaaa ....<BR/><BR/>Next strategy: if the intellectuals and the thinking people in the west leave Christianity by the masses, then we have to fill up those holes with those yang kureng intellect. South East Asians, here we come!<BR/><BR/>Oh Jeepers. We can only convert the chinese. These malay buggers too degil maaa. Right from zaman Hang Tuah up till now, they are all a degil lot. Woi malays! Lu orang tatak nampak kaa? Jonas Brothers, Jennifer Alba semua Christian maa. Tengok itu Kong Chua Sim sekalang sudah jadi Emanuel Kong. Banyak cool punya bunyi wo! Lu bila lagi?<BR/><BR/>Ini melayu semua cibai degil maa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-76280156017447485002009-02-03T18:10:00.000+08:002009-02-03T18:10:00.000+08:00I am a Sarawakian, a christain and a native of Sar...I am a Sarawakian, a christain and a native of Sarawak. Our ancestors were headhunters once and had mostly believed in Animism. Then some fine days -way before Malaysia was born some Tuans came to Sarawak preaching christainity. God knows what the converted natives called God then. Since the natives couldn’t speak English the missionary priests opted to learn and speak the native languages instead - predominantly the Iban language. To see the Tuans speak Ibans for instance was quite amusing to the simple longhouse folks. Many missionary schools were set up in Sarawak whereby the children of Ibans, Lauts, Bidayuh, Melanaus, China, Tambi (mostly baieee) attended. The teachers at the mission schools (majority priests) would then require sutdents (irrespective of their race, religion or religionless - to pray a morning prayer in English or even in Iban - a christain way, with the sign of cross, etc. like : dalam nama apai, nama anak enggau roh kudus….<BR/><BR/>Notice that - where the heck that language “roh kudus” was coming from? It’s definitely not from the Iban, Bidayuh, Kelabit, etc. <BR/><BR/>We the christain natives have been hearing our Tuan whiteman priests preaching in Iban langauge who referred to God as “Allah Taala”…but mind you most of the natives did not know how to read and write, so they heard something like “Alah Tala”…but no issue for us. The point is whether the origin of this “Alah Tala” was from Saudi Arabia, Ireland, Russia, Sipadan, Timbuktu, or wherever, we don’t care! What we care is that we have been using it and refer to God.<BR/><BR/>But now after so many donkey years…if you like to count from 1800, well that’s quite a lot of years (although some Ibans then were still busy pursuing head hunting activities and tribal warfare) - but now, yes only now, after the formation of Malaysia, our brother Muslims in Malaysia, mainly the West Malaysians - Orang Malaya we called them in our local slang, AGAINST the native christains to use the word!<BR/><BR/>Sensitive or not, minority or majority or not, all these depend on which angle you are looking at it from. From our Dayak christain angle, we oppose such as a call, as we think it is unfair and discriminate is the minority bumiputra. Had this cropped up during the formation of Malaysia, Tun Jugah then would have said “NO”. So, is this now an issue the Herald is trying to depend. What’s wrong they depend? We from East Malaysia say now to our brother Malays, come on big brothers, please give us a chance!<BR/><BR/>EmpanggupAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-27178193419841984882009-02-03T17:29:00.000+08:002009-02-03T17:29:00.000+08:00Comments censored over at Jebat Must Die ... coupl...Comments censored over at Jebat Must Die ...<BR/><BR/> couple of points …<BR/><BR/>The Pope does not represent all Christians. The 16th century Protestant Reformation was ignited by the rediscovery of the authentic interpretation of the source of the Christian Faith, i.e. Holy Scriptures. Protestants do not officially recognise the authority of the Pope anymore than the Eastern Orthodox, ecumenical endeavours notwithstanding. On the other hand, there many versions of Protestantism today. Modern evangelicals which constitute the vast majority of Protestants, including Malaysia, are not Protestants in the sense that Blessed Dr. Martin Luther, Blessed Dr. John Calvin, Blessed Martyr Archbishop Thomas Cranmer, Blessed Patriarch Cyril Lukaris, etc. were.<BR/><BR/>Jesus Christ, the Son of God, very God of very God did not only died on the Cross to redeem the elect sinners from original sin, but actual sin as well. Original sin is the sin which every single human being commits by being a member of the human race in Adam. Adam as the head of the human race fell into sin, by succumbing to the temptation to be divine - gods. Adam was put into the Garden to be human, to care for the world, and not to worry about his destiny. To do so is put self in control, to arrogate for oneself the right “to go UP to heaven”. <BR/><BR/>God the Son became Incarnate precisely to come DOWN to earth so that mankind can become truly HUMAN again. Jesus triumphed over sin and death. He was born under the Law to destroy the Law. Sinners who are made right with God the Father are no longer under the curse, threats and demands of the Law, but FREED precisely to do good works without worry about his/her destiny. <BR/><BR/>Therefore, the Christian do good works for the sake of the neighbour and the neighbour alone. As he/she is justified before the sight of God, receiving the unconditional, the gracious, the unmerited forgiveness of all sins, he/she is “turned back” to the world to do good works, to care for the world and to share in solidarity the sufferings, cause, etc. of his fellow human beings. He receives the world back as a gift. He sees the Law in a new light.<BR/><BR/>The Law is not a ladder to heaven, but to remind mankind to be truly human. The Law has two main functions: <BR/><BR/>1. To curb and restrain outward evil, and to regulate society;<BR/>2. To accuse a person of sin.<BR/><BR/>The way of salvation as redisovered by the 16th century Protestant Reformation is not top-down but bottom up. This is what the Incarnation, the Crucifixion and Resurrection is all about. <BR/><BR/>Salvation then is not about “accepting the message of the Gospel”. Salvation is Jesus dying on the cross for the sins of the elect. Who are the elect? The elect are those whom God has predestined from before the foundations of the world to be justified in His sight. Positively, God is absolutely sovereign; negatively, the person is totally depraved. These two basic premises form the pillar and ground of the Gospel - the Good News …….<BR/><BR/>Back to the issue: No restrictions can be placed on the USE of the term, “Allah” save the circulation of materials containing the term thereof. To do so is against the Constitution which preserves the balance between Islam as the official religion and the freedom of religion. <BR/><BR/>As for my view on whether the Allah of the Arabic and Malay-speaking Christians is the same God as the Allah of Quran, the answer is an obvious NO.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-64025770114971853042009-02-03T16:34:00.000+08:002009-02-03T16:34:00.000+08:00God is Tuhan in Bahasa Melayu. Allah is an arabic ...God is Tuhan in Bahasa Melayu. Allah is an arabic word. <BR/><BR/>Boy are we a confused lot, or just pretending to be confused?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-70708924315951816222009-02-03T16:24:00.000+08:002009-02-03T16:24:00.000+08:00DOn ambrose ni mmg takde akal punya... ni bukan Um...DOn ambrose ni mmg takde akal punya... <BR/><BR/>ni bukan Umno punya hal aje lah...<BR/><BR/>nak pakai nama Allah kalu... apa lagi...<BR/><BR/>sign la petition tu sekali sebab kamu sekarang percaya yang ALLAH tu tuhan kamu juga...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-56836052098881000662009-02-03T14:59:00.000+08:002009-02-03T14:59:00.000+08:00I am a REAL BUMIPUTRA FROM SABAH.We lived here for...I am a REAL BUMIPUTRA FROM SABAH.<BR/><BR/>We lived here for centuries, and this is our land. We have our language. <BR/><BR/>We are the rightful natives of this land.<BR/><BR/>Wahai Melayu UMNO semenanjung. Saya pribumi Kristian Borneo, dan saya mahu gunakan nama Allah apabila saya merujuk pada Nya. Sama seperti tok nenek saya. Kamu apahal mau masuk campur hal pribumi wahai imigren2 melayu umno dari indon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-67371403858213234892009-02-03T12:55:00.000+08:002009-02-03T12:55:00.000+08:00lilian,you said Allah in bible already have since ...lilian,<BR/><BR/>you said Allah in bible already have since 1700++. may i ask...who printed this? it is for use in malaysia...or borneo at that time?<BR/><BR/>please dont tell me this bible for borneo indigeneous people. their mothertongue is not bahasa indonesia at that time.EQUILIBRIUMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08280067636366861034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-38530403.post-49426995842271088152009-02-03T09:33:00.000+08:002009-02-03T09:33:00.000+08:00Folks, it is established here (from the many comme...Folks, it is established here (from the many comments that are pro Herald) that putting the word Allah in their publication is not because of religious necessity. It is only a lingual issue. They gave many examples of how the name Allah is being used since before Islam or in the case of Malaysia, since around 1800. Many examples were cited about the word ‘Allah’ being used in Christian books. All this amount to a single argument that the pursuit of using the word Allah is just because - it has been used before as part of the language. <BR/><BR/>Therefore, I have come to conclude that it is indeed a lingual issue. They did not give any examples such as the Christians’ faith will be eroded if the name Allah is NOT put in their Bible (indeed, in the bibles world over, 99% of them do not have the name Allah in the scriptures).<BR/><BR/>As it is, even if they had replaced the word ‘Tuhan’ for ‘Allah’ in their publication, it will not jeopardise their faith (from the many stories we heard, the Christians world over themselves including here in Malaysia do not pray to the name Allah in their prayers).<BR/><BR/>Now, the crux of the matter is, since it IS JUST A LINGUAL ISSUE from the Christian point of view, but at the same time, it unfortunately impinges on the religious sensitivities of THE MUSLIMS, then here is the question. WHICH IS THE MORE IMPORTANT factor that needs to be considered and give weight to?<BR/><BR/>Logic dictates it should be the Muslims point of view. It does not matter whether it violates the minority rights so on and so forth. That is not the issue here. Do not cloud the issue with the bogus and hypocritical cries from the so called agents of disunity in shouting freedom of speech, minority rights etc… They are there because they hate the government. But that is a different matter altogether. In this case, they had inadevertently mixed two different issue into one. Hence, the ulterior motives are unveiled in front of our eyes. <BR/><BR/>Thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com